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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
    True justice doesnt come cheap, but if a law or policy employs the same problem that it is trying to fix then its just as bad. Or actually it is worse since it would be government backed.

    The individual racist can be dealt with by employing ant-discriminatory laws (not claiming magic success here). But when the government engages in discriminatory policy and law there is no one thats going to even attempt to deal with those discriminations.

    We can teach that racism is wrong. And some people will listen to that wisdom. We can outlaw people from engaging in racism in specific situations as we should be obligated to do IMO. But we cannot become the thought police and force people to not be racist. Freedom of speech says that we cannot control the thoughts of the people. In the protection of liberty and freedom we unfortunately have to accept that some people will act like idiots and be racist.
    As you well know, in 1964, the Civil Rights Act was enacted, which is just under 50 years ago. While progress has been made...it hasn't been a smooth transition. We have a long way to go.

    And as you also know, the problems associated with equality issues - isn't restricted to simply skin color. We've had equality issues regarding a lot of segments of our population...and the biggie is related with inequalities regarding women, in general. And then add color issues with women, which bring up a whole different set of problems.

    Ridding ourselves of problem related with racism, bigotries of kinds, etc...starts with individuals. I don't know how all of our nation's companies and schools can begin to effectively create and implement internal policies - until there are non-racists, non-bigots, etc...making sure that policies and laws are enforced. That's a major barrier in today's world...in my opinion. Getting past our prejudices...is far from over.

    I don't have a clue as to what will make it all work.

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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    Quote Originally Posted by Calvincoolidge View Post
    You can't legislate the mind, it doesn't exist because it is impossible to quantify. If anything, we have minority privilege because of affirmative action. AA is racism because its favoring one race over another for no reason other than past "sins" that barely if at all affect the benefactors.
    Are you saying that white privilege doesn't exist because it can't be quantified? I can think of many things that exist but can't be quantifed with accuracy.

    However, white privilege can be quantified. For example, there are plenty of statistics showing that whites are less likely to be stopped by police, less likely to be arrested, and given lighter for the same crimes as African Americans.

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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    Quote Originally Posted by Calvincoolidge View Post
    A) No. But it would be the end of government sponsored racism, and employers/ college boards / etc could do what they want to.

    B) No, because people will think what they think usually. Such policies like and including AA intensify racism IMO.
    I just fessed up in my prior post...I don't have a clue as to what an equitable solution is for all parties concerned. Do you?

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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    ...I don't know how all of our nation's companies and schools can begin to effectively create and implement internal policies - until there are non-racists, non-bigots, etc...making sure that policies and laws are enforced. That's a major barrier in today's world...
    Most larger businesses and institutions in the USA have anti-discrimination policies and procedures for handling complaints in place. Where these policies and methods for accountability are in place there are relatively few problems that aren't addressed appropriately. It is in specific areas with less accountability where there are the most problems, discrimination by individual cab drivers is a good example.

    Probably the most significant area with accountability problems is law enforcement. There are laws and procedures that can significantly reduce racial bias in law enforcement, but they are not widely adopted, usually due to lobbying in opposition by police and prosecutors. (evidence of racists in their ranks since these reforms seem quite fair and reasonable.)

    Her's some examples for addressing bias in police line-ups:

    "•Blind administration: Research and experience have shown that the risk of misidentification is sharply reduced if the police officer administering a photo or live lineup is not aware of who the suspect is.

    •Lineup composition: “Fillers” (the non-suspects included in a lineup) should resemble the eyewitness’ description of the perpetrator. The suspect should not stand out (for example, he should not be the only member of his race in the lineup, or the only one with facial hair). Eyewitnesses should not view multiple lineups with the same suspect.

    •Instructions: The person viewing a lineup should be told that the perpetrator may not be in the lineup and that the investigation will continue regardless of the lineup result. They should also be told not to look to the administrator for guidance.

    •Confidence statements: Immediately following the lineup procedure, the eyewitness should provide a statement, in his own words, articulating his the level of confidence in the identification.

    •Recording: Identification procedures should be videotaped whenever possible – this protects innocent suspects from any misconduct by the lineup administrator, and it helps the prosecution by showing a jury that the procedure was legitimate.

    Jurisdictions should also consider adopting sequential presentation of lineups: Research has shown that presenting lineup members one-by-one (sequential), rather than all at once (simultaneous), decreases the rate at which innocent people are identified. Research has also demonstrated that when viewing several subjects at once, witnesses tend to choose the person who looks the most like – but may not actually be – the perpetrator."

    The Innocence Project - Fix the System: Priority Issues: Eyewitness Identification
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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Most larger businesses and institutions in the USA have anti-discrimination policies and procedures for handling complaints in place. Where these policies and methods for accountability are in place there are relatively few problems that aren't addressed appropriately. It is in specific areas with less accountability where there are the most problems, discrimination by individual cab drivers is a good example.

    Probably the most significant area with accountability problems is law enforcement. There are laws and procedures that can significantly reduce racial bias in law enforcement, but they are not widely adopted, usually due to lobbying in opposition by police and prosecutors. (evidence of racists in their ranks since these reforms seem quite fair and reasonable.)

    Her's some examples for addressing bias in police line-ups:

    "•Blind administration: Research and experience have shown that the risk of misidentification is sharply reduced if the police officer administering a photo or live lineup is not aware of who the suspect is.

    •Lineup composition: “Fillers” (the non-suspects included in a lineup) should resemble the eyewitness’ description of the perpetrator. The suspect should not stand out (for example, he should not be the only member of his race in the lineup, or the only one with facial hair). Eyewitnesses should not view multiple lineups with the same suspect.

    •Instructions: The person viewing a lineup should be told that the perpetrator may not be in the lineup and that the investigation will continue regardless of the lineup result. They should also be told not to look to the administrator for guidance.

    •Confidence statements: Immediately following the lineup procedure, the eyewitness should provide a statement, in his own words, articulating his the level of confidence in the identification.

    •Recording: Identification procedures should be videotaped whenever possible – this protects innocent suspects from any misconduct by the lineup administrator, and it helps the prosecution by showing a jury that the procedure was legitimate.

    Jurisdictions should also consider adopting sequential presentation of lineups: Research has shown that presenting lineup members one-by-one (sequential), rather than all at once (simultaneous), decreases the rate at which innocent people are identified. Research has also demonstrated that when viewing several subjects at once, witnesses tend to choose the person who looks the most like – but may not actually be – the perpetrator."

    The Innocence Project - Fix the System: Priority Issues: Eyewitness Identification
    Thanks for the info. Looks like the beginning of a positive process. I'd be nice if there were clear-cut answers to all discriminatory practices. Personally, I don't think we've evolved enough, but that's just my opinion.

    I still think that there are a lot of loopholes that people with prejudices will seek out and exploit. I hope that ways to overcome them, a solution, although not exactly the way you illustrated in your example...but of equal value in its outcome to end discrimination...at least to the extent we now know it to exist.

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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Are you saying that white privilege doesn't exist because it can't be quantified? I can think of many things that exist but can't be quantifed with accuracy.

    However, white privilege can be quantified. For example, there are plenty of statistics showing that whites are less likely to be stopped by police, less likely to be arrested, and given lighter for the same crimes as African Americans.
    It's because blacks are more likely to commit crimes for their percentage of the population. 48 out of 50 cabbie killings in (iirc it was NY) are committed by blacks or Hispanics. not all blacks would do this, but this is an example of this. The whites get stopped less because less of them percentage wise do crimes. Then you have to take into fact mitigating factors like past crimes, and individual case specifics that can't be quantified, including the judge himself. 50 years ago white privilege definitely existed but now it doesn't. Like I said before, you cannot legislate what people think, so (hypothetically) IF I'm wrong and it does exist, it is impossible to correct and therefore useless to try.

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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    I just fessed up in my prior post...I don't have a clue as to what an equitable solution is for all parties concerned. Do you?
    Life isn't fair and therefore there is none, if the problem exist, which IMO doesn't. arring of making everyone a specific race through genetic hacking, which is wrong in so man ways.

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