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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Empirical data is used in the scientific method. Its also documented.

    No lab required. Just need good data to analyis.

    How was it proven then? Basically you are saying you and others experianced this phenomina, and proof enough. I dont buy that. You wouldnt allow me to get away with that. All that I have found in the posts so far is what Playdrive gave and to be blunt are not exactly very helpful to discern one way or another without much further digging which I currently am.

    If it is a valid common phenomina then it can be proven via statistaical study. So far in my research everything I have found there has been very little study of the pehenomina and more importantly NO indepth studies that I can find. Most of what I am looking at are overly broad data sets with no real filthering looking closer at the data. For instance comparing wages of lawyers and doctors. There various SUB species of doctors and lawyers all of which are paid differently. I have yet to see a study comparing the saleries of black and white nerologists, and cardiologists, and corperate and real estate lawyers for instance. Were there is viable comparison, like nurses and police officers, were there is not much room for specialties I find that compared wages are within or just outside the noise or error band. In the case of nurses black nurses tend to make more at latter stages of their carreer.
    guess you should have asked for scientific then and not empirical

    see post 370 youll get a hint on how to find factual evidence

    it may not be what you specifically are looking for but it will show you how to find factual evidence none the less
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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Empirical data is used in the scientific method. Its also documented.

    No lab required. Just need good data to analyis.

    How was it proven then? Basically you are saying you and others experianced this phenomina, and proof enough. I dont buy that. You wouldnt allow me to get away with that. All that I have found in the posts so far is what Playdrive gave and to be blunt are not exactly very helpful to discern one way or another without much further digging which I currently am.

    If it is a valid common phenomina then it can be proven via statistaical study. So far in my research everything I have found there has been very little study of the pehenomina and more importantly NO indepth studies that I can find. Most of what I am looking at are overly broad data sets with no real filthering looking closer at the data. For instance comparing wages of lawyers and doctors. There various SUB species of doctors and lawyers all of which are paid differently. I have yet to see a study comparing the saleries of black and white nerologists, and cardiologists, and corperate and real estate lawyers for instance. Were there is viable comparison, like nurses and police officers, were there is not much room for specialties I find that compared wages are within or just outside the noise or error band. In the case of nurses black nurses tend to make more at latter stages of their carreer.
    Dude, white privilege is nothing more than "flip side" of racism and discrimination against non-whites (and the consequences of both). If you believe that racism and discrimination against non-whites exist, then you believe that white privilege exists. If you don't believe that white privilege exists, then you also don't believe that racism and discrimination exist.

    So, do you believe that racism and discrimination against non-whites exist? It's a simple "yes" or "no" answer.

    And for specific examples of "white privilege": White privilege is not having to deal with the legacy of extreme systemic discrimination. White privilege is not having to worry that your personal failures will be seen by others as proof of significantly harmful stereotypes and a representation of your entire "race." White privilege is being able to see "yourself" dominate the media and be represented in a significantly diverse amount of roles rather than just the stereotypes of your race/ethnicity. White privilege is not having to deal with well-documented psychological effects of discrimination against non-whites. White privilege is having your history be so frequently represented in society that you don't need a month set aside to have widespread acknowledgement of it. White privilege is having a greater likelihood that your family was able to pass wealth down to you because they didn't have to deal with the discrimination that prevented them from acquiring it. White privilege is, with all things besides race being equal, you are multiple times more likely to receive a more lenient sentence than non-whites when you commit the same crime.

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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Dude, white privilege is nothing more than "flip side" of racism and discrimination against non-whites (and the consequences of both). If you believe that racism and discrimination against non-whites exist, then you believe that white privilege exists. If you don't believe that white privilege exists, then you also don't believe that racism and discrimination exist.

    So, do you believe that racism and discrimination against non-whites exist? It's a simple "yes" or "no" answer.

    And for specific examples of "white privilege": White privilege is not having to deal with the legacy of extreme systemic discrimination. White privilege is not having to worry that your personal failures will be seen by others as proof of significantly harmful stereotypes and a representation of your entire "race." White privilege is being able to see "yourself" dominate the media and be represented in a significantly diverse amount of roles rather than just the stereotypes of your race/ethnicity. White privilege is not having to deal with well-documented psychological effects of discrimination against non-whites. White privilege is having your history be so frequently represented in society that you don't need a month set aside to have widespread acknowledgement of it. White privilege is having a greater likelihood that your family was able to pass wealth down to you because they didn't have to deal with the discrimination that prevented them from acquiring it. White privilege is, with all things besides race being equal, you are multiple times more likely to receive a more lenient sentence than non-whites when you commit the same crime.
    i dont htink SOME people inderstand this fact, they make up in thier head that it means something else than basic racism against non-whites
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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Posters tend to try to amplify their beliefs and seek out others that might agree. I'm fairly new here, but I believe discussion is a better way to get YOUR beliefs across to them...
    So do I. Endlessly repeated ad homs about how those who disagree are "liars" or "dishonest" or "moronic" stifle civil discourse. I'm all for vigorous debate--it's why I post at DP. Personal insults are a distraction.

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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    i dont htink SOME people inderstand this fact, they make up in thier head that it means something else than basic racism against non-whites
    I think the problem is that a lot of people are unable to divorce the word "privilege" from wealth. They automatically envision white privilege to mean that all white people are living in fancy houses and never have any problems. That's not what it means. The vast majority of people in this thread who have expressed doubt that white privilege exists seem to really have ZERO idea of what the term "white privilege" even refers to.
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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    No, debate in a political forum is not trying to bait anyone to defend their opinion because it is just that, an opinion. I could sit here all night long and take the opposite side of anything you post, but it wouldn't further any serious discussion we might actually have...
    The existence of white privilege isn't an opinion; it is a fact.

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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I think the problem is that a lot of people are 1) unable to divorce the word "privilege" from wealth. They automatically envision white privilege to mean that all white people are living in fancy houses and never have any problems. That's not what it means. The vast majority of people in this thread who have expressed doubt that white privilege exists seem to really have ZERO idea of what the term "white privilege" even refers to.
    i never thought about that.

    its obvious they are making it out to be something its not but i didnt think the reason maybe because of that association, interesting.
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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I think the problem is that a lot of people are unable to divorce the word "privilege" from wealth. They automatically envision white privilege to mean that all white people are living in fancy houses and never have any problems. That's not what it means. The vast majority of people in this thread who have expressed doubt that white privilege exists seem to really have ZERO idea of what the term "white privilege" even refers to.
    Hogwash, we know exactly what it means. It is no different from any other "racial" form of favoritism. The problem is you seem to think it is far more prevalent or somehow worse than any other racial favoritism. Well since it really does not matter anymore as institutionalized racism is pretty much gone, it just does not matter. Sure racism exist in people or as individuals, but that is a whole other story as racists of ALL races exist.

    You also don't want to admit that MONEY overrides all that nonsense as your own links pointed out.

    So no, we know what it means.
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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    Quote Originally Posted by German guy View Post
    As I'm not American, I don't want to comment on the situation in America in particular, but on ethnic/racial minorities in general.

    When in a country, there are ethnic/racial minorities, and their average material situation such as income, education level and representation, is lower than that of the majority ethnicity/race, that of course begs for questions (assuming there is no legal discrimination, obviously). The only two reasons I can think of are that 1) they are not given equal opportunities, because the majority maintains a "privilege", or 2) something about that ethnicity/race makes them inherently incapable of achieving like the majority.

    As far as I know, blacks in America have a considerably lower income and education average compared to whites. Why is that? You answer me, because I am not sure. But I don't like explanations that belong to 2), such as "blacks are genetically less intelligent/ambitious/etc". Following 2), maybe it's their culture? But what is "black culture"? Aren't African Americans exposed to the same culture as white Americans?

    1) would encompass arguments such as "white privilege": Due to involuntary, non-malicious racist stereotypes, blacks are disadvantaged in a society dominated by whites. Maybe white employers are less likely to hire a qualified black than a white employee, because they have (subconscious, involuntary) prejudices. Maybe white teachers show the same prejudice towards black pupils.

    Most likely, the real problem is not due to one single reason, but a mix of various of these reasons, to different degrees. So what do you think? Did I overlook something important?
    Hey German Guy, I just read and thought it was interesting.

    I was having a discussion with my brother (who has spent a lot of time in Germany) about Muslims in Europe generally and how there is a huge problem of unemployment, underemployment, and Muslims living in ghetto's. I understand this is a very big problem in France and a significant problem in Germany.

    He argued that the problem was with the Muslims who refused to integrate and chose to live in ghettos.

    I argued that the Muslims were being discriminated against and as opposed to not assimilating, their difference were not being accepted by Germans and they were pushed to the ghettos as a result of discrimination. If this is the case, it is not disimiliar to the plight of blacks in America.

    Contrasting Muslims in America with Muslims in Europe, we find that in almost every way, American Muslims are well above average. They only make about 25 of the population, but they tend make more money, have more education, longer marriages, lower debt, lower crime rates than the general population.

    I believe that discrimination, especially, but not exlusively, institutional repression, has an effect on groups that is not easily corrected.

    I read a study once about repression in Ireland a few decades back. The Irish Protestants were the repressors and the Irish Catholics were the repressed. The study found, among other things, that the irish Catholics had an average of 15 point lower IQ than the Irish Protestants. What is fascinating is that these people were so close genetically that they could have been close cousins, so clearly there was nothing biological about the difference, it was all the result of repression.

    What do you make of the Muslim issue in Europe?

    Is there a white advantage?

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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Libbos live in a fantasy world.
    I guess I'm not alone of making the same observation.

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