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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    Oh my God, can people stop saying the existence of white privilege is an "opinion" or "subjective." No, it isn't. It is a factual ****ing reality. If you don't know that it is a fact, then you are uninformed and you need to educate yourself. I already provided a bunch of studies earlier in the thread to support my position so don't come out with your "prove it" nonsense.

    Moreover, there isn't much room to even debate the level of white privilege that exists as there is, again, PLENTY of research of the subject that covers the extent of white privilege.

    Here's a suggestion: If you think the existence of white privilege and the prevalence of it is purely a matter of opinion, ask yourself how many studies you've read on the subject and reevaluate your opinion.

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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    2.) no its a fact. if you disagree with anything i called fact, point it out and i will gladly prove it

    or feel free to factually prove it wrong

    3.) easy my questions were trying to accomplish YOU explaining the connection because i see none and i was going to show you that you were wrong or it was only your opinion but you must have come to this conclusion yourself so you bailed on it and that why you are now dodging it
    4.) see above and no they didnt and i also never deflected

    i agree you dont care about facts, i do

    All I was originally saying was that most real racism is hidden and cannot be called out. It's a problem of the thought process and attitude, not something we can always address because it gets circumvented. Example; my sister and her husband are always saying "n" this and "n" that like morons. But when they're confronted with minorities they don't say "boo". They're harmless idiots. But I worked for a wealthy man who never said a racial slur, gave to the UNCF and NAACP but wouldn't hire a minority, live near one or associate very closely with one. Unless you watched him closely like I did you'd never suspect how racist he truly was and how little could be done about it.

    My original comment wasn't addressed against or directly too you but rather what do you think of my analogy? A simple question was all it was before you basically started calling me an idiot.
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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    Quote Originally Posted by FreedomFromAll View Post
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    White privilege is a accusation of circumstantial evidence which is entirely based on race. Its a assumption of guilt with no trial. Its a blame game that blames people of being a certain way because of their race. The end result is this: I cant say that I am proud of being white without sounding like a white supremacist. So why cannot I be proud of my race and all other races can be? Is it because of the bad apples? All races are equal we all have bad apples.

    There is nothing wrong with white people treating other white people with favoritism. All races do it why cant white people do it as well? Is it because in America whites are the majority? Guess what globally whites are the minority. North America is predominantly white because this is where the white people migrated to from Europe. In from Mexico through out South America Hispanics are the majority because that is where the Spanish migrated too.

    In other words dont confuse racism with racial identity. The country is geared for whites because the majority is white. In other countries where another race is the majority those countries are geared for those races. It sections of the US where a region is no a majority of whites that region is geared for the majority race of that region.

    Of course racism is alive and strong in modern America and despite the best efforts to curb racism by all races I am sure there will always be racism. But things are not stagnant today is much different than when I was a kid.
    I really admire you for being so candid. Most simply take the position that race bias doesn't exist and recognize racism only when minorities make any reference to ethnicity.

    BTW: I'm perfectly okay with all ethnic groups celebrating their unique heritage, culture and contribution. IMHO it becomes racist when those not of that ethnic group are made to know they are not welcome to join in these celebrations and are used as a justification to treat others with disdain. IMHO what make Black History Month so cool is in most celebrations all races are invited to join in. St. Patrick's Day is great because all people are welcome to join in the celebration of Irish heritage even if you're not Irish. Thanksgiving Day is great because although historically its about Native Americans and English settlers to the New World, today all Americans take ownership in it.
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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    1.)All I was originally saying was that most real racism is hidden and cannot be called out. It's a problem of the thought process and attitude, not something we can always address because it gets circumvented. Example; my sister and her husband are always saying "n" this and "n" that like morons. But when they're confronted with minorities they don't say "boo". They're harmless idiots. But I worked for a wealthy man who never said a racial slur, gave to the UNCF and NAACP but wouldn't hire a minority, live near one or associate very closely with one. Unless you watched him closely like I did you'd never suspect how racist he truly was and how little could be done about it.

    2.)My original comment wasn't addressed against or directly too you but rather what do you think of my analogy?
    3.) A simple question was all it was before you basically started calling me an idiot.
    1.) I dont know about most but i do agree
    2.) what analogy? i missed on if you gave ME one
    3.) never called you an idiot and what question?

    i looked back where our convoy started, post 248, i read no initial anology or question nor where i called you an idiot.

    do you possible have me confused with someone else
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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    Yes, white privilege exists just as upper class privilege, male privilege and Christian privilege exist in the United States. Relative to race, the white "race" is the dominant one in the United States. It currently and historically dominates nearly every power-holding aspect of society from government to business to media. Because of that dominance, white people (in general) have advantages that non-white people do not. Examples of advantage would be the fact that whites encounter less racism when applying for jobs or housing; the fact that whites have had a historical "head start" in terms of wealth and education aquisition; and so on.

    The interesting thing about white privilege (and many other types of privilege as well) is that it includes the luxury of being able to not see that privilege. For example, you're hear a lot of white people say things like, "Are you kidding? If anything, I'm at a DISadvantage today as a white male." They truly believe that because they evaluate "privilege" and things like on a surface level. By "surface level", I mean that they believe privilege has to be labeled things like "Affirmative Action" or "Black History Month." They don't realize that such things are labeled because the default in society is "white." (Therein lies the privilege.)

    In sum, yes, white privilege is an undeniable reality. In nearly every society, certain groups within the population are "privileged". In some countries, privilege is determined by race, in others it is determined by religion and in others it's determined by ethnicity or something else entirely or a combination of several. White privilege is, again, undeniable. Any adult who denies that it exists in the United States is ignorant, and likely willfully so.
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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    1.) I dont know about most but i do agree
    2.) what analogy? i missed on if you gave ME one
    3.) never called you an idiot and what question?

    i looked back where our convoy started, post 248, i read no initial anology or question nor where i called you an idiot.

    do you possible have me confused with someone else
    Here's my original statement in the form of a question.

    It seems like what we're talking about though is "thought control" and the more you attempt to corral peoples free thinking the more it backfires, regardless of how well intentioned. Ignorance is not just learned but it's imitated and sometimes willfully chosen.
    Can you imagine trying to tell my wealthy, highly educated employer "not to be racist"? That's the "thought control" part. He'd say he wasn't, you couldn't prove it and he broke no laws. That sort of white privilege is the preeminent form that exist and he's a snob towards anyone he believes to be less than him. I think he's ignorant, arrogant and that basically nothing can be done about it because it's actually part of living in a free society, where we don't overly restrict expression or choices, no matter how repugnant.

    Here is your respectful and pleasant reply..

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    who is we? not a smart question just want to know what and who i am addressing?
    what thought control?
    free thinking? everybody still has that ablity

    id say the super vast majority of intelligent and honest people that are honestly objective and not already biased, bigoted, racist ect, never choose to be ignorant.

    im not sure what you are saying and how it applies to my post or points in this thread, though you may not have read them all either.
    But in all fairness I did mistake your "not a smart question" as saying I was being stupid. But the whole, "I don't understand anything you're saying" sounds like you're being either sarcastic or not intuitive.

    Now either YOU are continuing to deflect or merely believe yourself to be beyond reproach? Which is it?
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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    How sad to think at one point I thought you to not be the typical DP member. I was wrong in thinking that. Continue on with the nonsense, as the more you put forth, the more it shows others the vacancy of your posts.
    Yes, it's always everyone else's fault that you do not have the ability to intelligently support your positions.

    That you suggest that more white people are not 'needy' or 'poor' yet provide nothing to support such ignorance is noted. The numbers have long been out there. Quit relying on a failed education system and do your own work for a change.
    You really do not have any ability to comprehend what I wrote, do you? Is English your primary language?
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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    ... A person of color with the same education, general appearance, command of language, work ethic, etc., as another person who is white? I think they actually have an advantage in our society.
    If true, that still illustrates white privilege still continues because whites define the cultural norms that determine whether a non-white person's behavior is considered acceptable.

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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    the following is exactly what I am talking about.

    You typed:
    'So are you saying that you find most 'race'-based threads to be exasperating or frustrating? Why? Do you simply dislike discussing the social construct and it's effects, or is it something else?'

    And yet I typed absolutely nothing of the kind.
    Well, that's just false. I asked you, sarcastically, if you were "exacerbated" to which you responded "And no, I am not exacerbated...I find you atypical of most people I find in 'race'-based threads. "

    If I am atypical (meaning not typical) of what you normally find, and you are not "exacerbated" by me, then the typical reaction one would assume that you would have is "exacerbation".

    So you most certainly did say something which implied that my question was valid. Or are we really just seeing the extreme limitations of your vocabulary?

    You obviously read into things what you want to see.
    I'm seriously wondering if you actually know what the words you use mean.

    As for the rest. I could care less (in this subject) what the 'social construct' is. I care what is right and wrong.
    And as I have said, righteously ignoring reality has no affect on it.
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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    Quote Originally Posted by Graffias View Post
    "White privilege (or white skin privilege) refers to what some individuals perceive as advantages that white people enjoy in certain societies beyond those commonly experienced by people of color in the same social, political, or economic spaces (nation, community, workplace, income, etc). The controversial term connotes both obvious and less obvious unspoken advantages that white individuals may not recognize they have. These include cultural affirmations of one's own worth; greater presumed social status; and freedom to move, buy, work, play, and speak freely. The concept of white privilege also implies the right to assume the universality of one's own experiences, marking others as different or exceptional while perceiving oneself as normal. It can be compared and/or combined with the concept of male privilege. Does this still exist? If so, should it be corrected and fought against?
    "White" privilege, as a direct matter, does not exist. But Wealth privilege certainly does. And since the wealthy are predominantly white, as an indirect matter, yes, being white comes with a lot of advantages and a "privileged" existence. So no, but yes.
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