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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    Quote Originally Posted by PirateMk1 View Post
    Race is not a social construct. It is a natural phenomenom that influences social action and thinking.
    it only influences social action and thinking because people socially construct it too
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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    The downfall of our society is progressing forward due to idiocy like this...
    Translation: you have nothing logical, honest, objective or intelligent to defend your stance LOL

    its ok, FACTS disagree with your nonsensical, false opinion

    if you disagree with my statement, by all means please use facts to prove it wrong, id LOVE to read them
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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    #6 what are those origins, the cite I showed says it's mostly genetic in nature.

    at least I can't say you're a hypocrite on the issue.
    Debate on IQ tests themselves aside, the differences you note are deceptive.

    The IQ variance in ANY group is much greater than that BETWEEN any group.

    A sad minority want to make it about superiority of one group over another but want to ignore the superiority of others in their own group.

    I've always said the top 10% could easily dominate the bottom 40% or so and most of the latter wouldn't even know it.

    I consider it wise to keep an eye on the very bright, and I count myself among their complement.

    And I would advise those who feel better about themselves because their GROUP tests higher on IQ tests, to accept the fact that statistically there are members of those groups they feel superior to who could beat them at Jeopardy every day. Handily.
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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    There is also a minority privilege that exists but it does not near equal the historically entrenched Caucasian variety. The problem is the conscious bias of it is rarely exhibited enough to be called out, making it almost impossible to address as an open agenda. As long as people draw into social groupings due to ethnicity, skin color, political parties, idealism and financial networks there will always be stigmas, bigotry and intolerance's from all sides. What we all share and should always keep as our base value is that we're humans with weaknesses who need to treat each other fairly and as equals.
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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    White privilege exists to the same extent that good looking, physically fit, well groomed, well mannered, well educated, experienced, clean, prompt and courteous privilege exist. All other things being relatively equal, yes that "trait" may hold some sway.

    One can certainly find examples of racism, but one can also find examples of every other "prejudice" that I have mentioned. Life is not fair and no amount of law making, mandating and affirmative action will ever change that, in fact, it may have the opposite effect - reenforcing the idea that basic inferiority actually exists or those non-white males would not need special help to compete.

    Take any large group of folks and place them in a fairly boundless space, e.g. a beach, and see if they do not tend to "self segregate" by age, social class, gender, married/single, education and yep, even race. People tend to favor the familiar and will often choose it over the unknown - is that not simply wise and learned social behavior?
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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    Quote Originally Posted by What if...? View Post
    Debate on IQ tests themselves aside, the differences you note are deceptive.

    The IQ variance in ANY group is much greater than that BETWEEN any group.

    A sad minority want to make it about superiority of one group over another but want to ignore the superiority of others in their own group.

    I've always said the top 10% could easily dominate the bottom 40% or so and most of the latter wouldn't even know it.

    I consider it wise to keep an eye on the very bright, and I count myself among their complement.

    And I would advise those who feel better about themselves because their GROUP tests higher on IQ tests, to accept the fact that statistically there are members of those groups they feel superior to who could beat them at Jeopardy every day. Handily.
    I never said I'm smarter because im a part of a group with a higher iq. A 100 iq is the same regardless of race.

    My iq has been tested, I don't need to say I'm smarter because I'm white, that's just ignorant.

    And you're absolute right. Consider for example group A and group B, both with 5 people each.
    Group A's 5 people test at 80, 95, 110, 120 and 140.
    Group B's 5 people test at 80, 85, 100, 115, and 140.
    Group A is has both a higher median and average, and can be considered the smarter group. but that doesn't mean everyone in group A is smarter then everyone in group B, and the smartest of both groups is roughly the same.

    I'd say it's even unfair to divide people into these groups and call one better then the other. But if you want to talk about "privilege" when referring to these groups, then you have to talk about intelligence as well considering intelligences high correlation with success.

    I'd ask what do you mean keep an eye on the intelligent? Hold them back? Intelligence is the single most important determinant of success. If you want to ignore intelligence and it's importance, I'd say you're putting your head in the sand.

    What we shouldn't do, is call someone better because they are intelligent. Intelligence merely explains the results, and thr results speak for themselves.

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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective-J View Post
    Translation: you have nothing logical, honest, objective or intelligent to defend your stance LOL

    its ok, FACTS disagree with your nonsensical, false opinion

    if you disagree with my statement, by all means please use facts to prove it wrong, id LOVE to read them
    You fail at translation... another part of that downfall of society. Disagree with your statement? I have yet to see you make a statement.

    I stated the truth that more white people are 'non advantaged' than any other 'race'... this is simply a fact. You don't like it, then go ahead and put up your daily kos or mother jones nonsense... entertain us with BS...
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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    While high intelligence, as measured by IQ tests, does not in and of itself, guarantee success or even staying out of prison, low intelligence is a virtually insurmountable stumbling block to meaningful employment, education, reason, etc., etc. Covering this up instead of addressing it will insure that the problems caused by this will never be corrected.

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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

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    White privilege is a accusation of circumstantial evidence which is entirely based on race. Its a assumption of guilt with no trial. Its a blame game that blames people of being a certain way because of their race. The end result is this: I cant say that I am proud of being white without sounding like a white supremacist. So why cannot I be proud of my race and all other races can be? Is it because of the bad apples? All races are equal we all have bad apples.

    There is nothing wrong with white people treating other white people with favoritism. All races do it why cant white people do it as well? Is it because in America whites are the majority? Guess what globally whites are the minority. North America is predominantly white because this is where the white people migrated to from Europe. In from Mexico through out South America Hispanics are the majority because that is where the Spanish migrated too.

    In other words dont confuse racism with racial identity. The country is geared for whites because the majority is white. In other countries where another race is the majority those countries are geared for those races. It sections of the US where a region is no a majority of whites that region is geared for the majority race of that region.

    Of course racism is alive and strong in modern America and despite the best efforts to curb racism by all races I am sure there will always be racism. But things are not stagnant today is much different than when I was a kid.

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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    1.)You fail at translation... another part of that downfall of society. Disagree with your statement? I have yet to see you make a statement.

    2.)I stated the truth that more white people are 'non advantaged' than any other 'race'... this is simply a fact. You don't like it, then go ahead and put up your daily kos or mother jones nonsense... entertain us with BS...
    weird you still havent posted any facts at all that prove my statement wrong

    1.) another lie and nonsensical deflection that doenst change facts
    2.) yes there are more NUMBER wise, which is meaningless to the conversation

    example Shaq made MORE shots than Bird both count wise and percentage that doesnt mean shaq was a better shooter.

    You see its not my fault you have no clue what stats actually mean or how to accurately use them.

    poor white people has ZERO to do with the fact that white privileged exists.

    so you are still factually wrong LOL

    and who is us, i only see YOU saying that because there is more poor white people than poor black people it means white privileged doesnt exist. NOBODY else is saying that. You know why because your conclusion is factually wrong LOL

    the irony of you trying to use failed insults and you referring to the downfall of society when you are factually wrong and you are not educated enough on this topic to know how to properly and accurately understand stats, reality and correlation.

    Please continue this is hilarious.

    Since you disagree with facts, AGAIN, PLEASE, explain to me how having more poor white people than black people means that white privileged doesnt exist LOL I cant wait to read this.
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