View Poll Results: Does "white privilege exist"?

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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Oh great...yet can other bored fellow who likes to breakdown discussions into tiny little bits so new can try and make nonsensical points just to try and make himself feel superior in some juvenile way.
    Pointing out facts is not "making nonsensical points".

    Sorry man, I have no desire to do that...life is way too short.
    You have no desire to let the facts play a role in your opinions?

    And no, I am not exacerbated...I find you atypical of most people I find in 'race'-based threads.
    So are you saying that you find most 'race'-based threads to be exasperating or frustrating? Why? Do you simply dislike discussing the social construct and it's effects, or is it something else?


    Interesting though how you tell me I am exacerbated even after I tell you I am not.
    Of course you aren't exacerbated. You're not a problem, you are a person. I know this, I'm just being sarcastic because it pleases me to do so.

    Makes me wonder if you do that to people in the real world (tell them what they are feeling even if they claim otherwise).
    I'm usually more sarcastic in the real world.


    My point remains. There is only one 'race' (IMO) - the human race.
    I share that opinion (or, more correctly, there is no such thing as objective 'race' because it is a purely social construct used to describe phenotypical variances found in members of the human species).

    The unfortunate fact remains, however, that our opinions about race do not eradicate the existence of the social construct of race.

    And to suggest that someone is a different 'race' strictly because they happen to have a cerrtain amount of melanin in their skin is (IMO) ignorant in the extremis.
    Unfortunately, the social construct is defined by society, not individuals. There were times when Irish people were considered to be a different race from other people with similar melanin levels. Biologically speaking, there is not much difference in the melanin levels of a person of Hispanic decent and a person of Sicilian decent, yet they are often viewed to be of different "races" under the current social constructs of race in this country. Brazil has a very different social construct of race, where terminology like "money whitens" is actually seen as somewhat literal (i.e. a person who has money is "whiter" than a person who is the same objective color that does not have money).

    Is it ignorant for society to use superficial phenotypical differences as the basis for differentiation? Sure. But that does not change the fact that society does this, nor does it mitigate the effects that doing this has on people. Those effects are often made worse if we ignore them.

    Since you obviously do not agree with me or do and just like to argue/debate (I can't quite tell which), I/see further discussion with you on this subject as pointless.
    It's not a matter of agreement, as I have said repeatedly. I am in agreement with your opinions much more than you seem to think I am. Our opinions about the facts do nothing to change those facts, though.
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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    What the hell is this babbling about? Argument for the sake of arguing? Sorry, the SNL skit Eddie Murphy did about 'white people' is not reality, no matter how much some want to fuel the false fire...
    So are you simply unable to answer the question, or are you unwilling to do it? You made a claim. You attempted to present evidence that you felt proved that the claim is correct. I am challenging you to explain how that "evidence" proves your claim to be correct. It's really rather simple. If you can't do it or are unwilling to do it, then you can't pretend that it is evidence to support your claim.
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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    So are you simply unable to answer the question, or are you unwilling to do it? You made a claim. You attempted to present evidence that you felt proved that the claim is correct. I am challenging you to explain how that "evidence" proves your claim to be correct. It's really rather simple. If you can't do it or are unwilling to do it, then you can't pretend that it is evidence to support your claim.
    So you are arguing for the sake of argument. Thanks for the clarification.

    If you want to live in the world of reality, the information on who and how many are on welfare is out there. Have fun.

    If you want to just continue arguing, making false assumptions, and attacking others because you have nothing else to offer, have at it... Most thinking people have already tired of such nonsense and will continue to ignore you.
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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    So you are arguing for the sake of argument. Thanks for the clarification.
    I am arguing in order to get you to challenge your assumptions, since they appear to be flawed.

    If you want to live in the world of reality, the information on who and how many are on welfare is out there. Have fun.

    If you want to just continue arguing, making false assumptions, and attacking others because you have nothing else to offer, have at it... Most thinking people have already tired of such nonsense and will continue to ignore you.
    Ah, so you are incapable of supporting your position intelligently, but refuse to alter your position despite it's foundation of ignorance.

    Got it.
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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Pointing out facts is not "making nonsensical points".



    You have no desire to let the facts play a role in your opinions?



    So are you saying that you find most 'race'-based threads to be exasperating or frustrating? Why? Do you simply dislike discussing the social construct and it's effects, or is it something else?




    Of course you aren't exacerbated. You're not a problem, you are a person. I know this, I'm just being sarcastic because it pleases me to do so.



    I'm usually more sarcastic in the real world.




    I share that opinion (or, more correctly, there is no such thing as objective 'race' because it is a purely social construct used to describe phenotypical variances found in members of the human species).

    The unfortunate fact remains, however, that our opinions about race do not eradicate the existence of the social construct of race.



    Unfortunately, the social construct is defined by society, not individuals. There were times when Irish people were considered to be a different race from other people with similar melanin levels. Biologically speaking, there is not much difference in the melanin levels of a person of Hispanic decent and a person of Sicilian decent, yet they are often viewed to be of different "races" under the current social constructs of race in this country. Brazil has a very different social construct of race, where terminology like "money whitens" is actually seen as somewhat literal (i.e. a person who has money is "whiter" than a person who is the same objective color that does not have money).

    Is it ignorant for society to use superficial phenotypical differences as the basis for differentiation? Sure. But that does not change the fact that society does this, nor does it mitigate the effects that doing this has on people. Those effects are often made worse if we ignore them.



    It's not a matter of agreement, as I have said repeatedly. I am in agreement with your opinions much more than you seem to think I am. Our opinions about the facts do nothing to change those facts, though.
    the following is exactly what I am talking about.

    You typed:
    'So are you saying that you find most 'race'-based threads to be exasperating or frustrating? Why? Do you simply dislike discussing the social construct and it's effects, or is it something else?'

    And yet I typed absolutely nothing of the kind.

    You obviously read into things what you want to see.

    As for the rest. I could care less (in this subject) what the 'social construct' is. I care what is right and wrong.


    Have a nice day.
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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    I haven't studied those places as extensively as I've studied the United States so I don't have as informed opinion about the role white privilege does or does not play in those areas.
    Try an uniformed guess then. Is it "white" privledge as you call it or more the founding or dominate cultures "institutional advantage". The US was essintially founded by white european christens with paternalistic bent, yes? Does it not stand to reason that a countries foundational culture and morais, is reflected in its institutions and dominate culture? That most every country has a dominate culture, that determines the norms of that country? Would that just be simply the standard dynamic whatever country and its dominate culture and founding precepts. The reason I ask these questions is because I am fairly well traveled, having been to Africa, the Middle East and Europe and most every state of the union barring Alaska and Hawaii. I have experianced the diffent dynamics of different countries and cultures. "Institutional advantage" is what I call it. Its pervasive in every country and culture. Its a natural, abet unfair tendency of man. Fact is whether you like it or not that advantage to some degree is pretty much ALWAYS going to exist in one form or another though not nessearilly in the current forms or by the curent cultures. ALMOST ALL cultures do this. So more so than others. The United States version is actually fairlly mild. We in our country are EXCEPTIONALY mild point of fact. The point I am attempting to make is the "white privaledge" you experiance is not excactly that per say, but more of the dominate culture and its influence on the norms of society and its institutions. So really "white priveledge" as you put it, is nothing more than a phenominom of a currently dominate culture. Take California for instance, the primary culure has been the white protestent paternal version(s). But as of late it has been slowly changing to one more of a hispanic cultural bent. This has to do with the population change we are exepriancing. Right now "Hispanics" and "whites" are at parity with the trend saying toward the end of this year or next the hispanic population exceeding the white population. As that occures the culture will start to focus more to a hispanic mindset and less a white mindset. This is resulting in more hispanic "institutional advantage".
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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    Quote Originally Posted by ThePlayDrive View Post
    1. I wish I had gone to your school.

    2. White privilege doesn't mean that success is determined by race.

    3. White privilege doesn't mean that white people "owe" anyone anything.

    4. White privilege doesn't mean that white people don't have to study or work while other people buy iPads.

    5. White privilege doesn't mean that all white people have "had it easy."

    6. I have no problem teaching students about IQ discrepancies, their origins and their effects. Good suggestion.

    7. Race is a social construct. Teaching about white privilege doesn't "validate" it; teaching about white privilege acknowledges the effects that that social construct has on society and individuals within it.
    Race is not a social construct. It is a natural phenomenom that influences social action and thinking.
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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I am arguing in order to get you to challenge your assumptions, since they appear to be flawed.



    Ah, so you are incapable of supporting your position intelligently, but refuse to alter your position despite it's foundation of ignorance.

    Got it.
    How sad to think at one point I thought you to not be the typical DP member. I was wrong in thinking that. Continue on with the nonsense, as the more you put forth, the more it shows others the vacancy of your posts.

    That you suggest that more white people are not 'needy' or 'poor' yet provide nothing to support such ignorance is noted. The numbers have long been out there. Quit relying on a failed education system and do your own work for a change.
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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    As for the OP question, no it does not exist. There are more down and out, struggling to 'get by' white people than there are of other 'races' in this country... more whites on 'public assistance' than other races in this nation.

    The whole concept is just more left wing race bating BS.
    white people being poor doesnt change the fact white privilege exists, just like obama being president doesnt change the fact racism exist, thats the most nonsensical thing i have ever heard.

    And what does left wing have to do with these facts?

    The fact is its alive and well just like racism, sexism etc

    we could debate how much it happens but dont that it doesnt exist because facts disagree with that.
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