View Poll Results: Does "white privilege exist"?

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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    You know whats great about social constructs? They can cease to exist.

    Hence the term "social" construct.

    Until they cease to exist, though, they have effects. Much like anything else.

    Hell, people all cease to exist (not just can cease to exist, they will certainly cease to exist), yet they have effects while they exist, and sometimes long after they have ceased to exist.
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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Was it actually doing that or was it perceived by some to be doing that? Because I heard people say the same thing when it was taught in my college, when I was present for it being taught, and it didn't actually do that at all, dspite their belief that it was.

    For example, I know for a fact that I never once did that here, but some people have certainly made the assumption that I have. That's on them and their own insecurity about racial discussions, not on me.
    No he most certainly used it in that context. For instance, one time during the semester our professor brought up how racist it is that felons can't vote. One student was like "but they are felons." The professor screams at the kid, no! that's a racist lie! Then said how blacks are over represented in the felon population, so therefore preventing felons from voting is racist.
    "White privilege" is just was just an extension of that. He also discussed the concept of "color blind racism" at the same time as white privilege saying how someone who isn't overtly racist, but supports a meritocracy over affirmative action and redistribution is inherently a racist.
    This was just one of several episodes.


    The reason I'm against the concept is because as a white male, I don't feel privileged in any way. I see plenty of women and minorities who go much farther in life then I have. Rather, I see myself as being fairly treated by the system, and would simply say everyone else deserves the same.

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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Until they cease to exist, though, they have effects. Much like anything else.

    Hell, people all cease to exist (not just can cease to exist, they will certainly cease to exist), yet they have effects while they exist, and sometimes long after they have ceased to exist.
    Maybe we should be spending our time making them cease to exist then instead of teaching things on the assumption that they are fact.

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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Based on what was typed, I stand behind what I typed.
    Then you have phenomenally inadequate reading comprehension skills, because what was typed by me was nothing like what you have imagined to be typed.

    Take a wild guess if I care much if you agree with me on this or not?
    It's already obvious that you steadfastly refuse to acknowledge reality. It's not a matter of agreement or disagreement, because we are not talking about opinions. You are free to continueremaining willfully ignorant by disavowing the existence of objective reality if you like, that is certainly your prerogative, but you will not be any less incorrect by doing so.


    You can try and deflect and nitpick all you like (typical tactic when someone has no facts to back up their point-of-view).
    I love it when someone calls pointing out the fact nitpicking when they do not want to acknowledge reality. You can tell that they have become "exacerbated" when they do this.

    The fact remains, there is only one race...the human race.
    The fact remains, race is a social construct that exists and has effects. What you are calling a fact is an opinion of yours. Humanity is not even a race, it is a species. By trying to feign "technical" accuracy, you failed to recognize the obvious fact that if the social construct of race ceases to exist, there are NO RACES AT ALL. Only a single species.

    And to call someone a different 'race' because they have more melanin in their skin is ignorant in the extremis...for lots of reasons.
    To claim that the social construct of race doesn't exist and that it doesn't have effects is not simply ignorant, it's delusional.
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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Maybe we should be spending our time making them cease to exist then instead of teaching things on the assumption that they are fact.
    Why do you have the misguided idea that explaining the existence of white privilege is somehow mutually exclusive from working to end the social construct?

    Awareness of the effects of the social construct is of absolute importance to ending the social construct's existence.

    If people are not aware of the underlying effects, they might spout off delusional nonsense like "There's only one race, the human race. Thus we shouldn't talk about white privilege or the effects of racism because it doesn't exist".

    Problems do not get solved by ignoring their effects.
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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Its not education, its indoctrination. I think the first time I heard about white privilege was in my 8th grade class? Wall of silence. It was brought up again in college last semester in my sociology class. Wall of silence.

    I'm all for teaching nondiscrimination. But when you start attributing success on the basis of race, that in my opinion is crossing the line. Its basically turning into, "you're white so you owe everyone else something because you were historically privileged." What the F? I don't feel privileged when I'm up studying for 6 hours a night, I don't feel privileged working my way through college while others use their grant money on $300 headsets and $900 iPads. I'm originally of a Jewish Heritage, might I remind you one of the most historically oppressed groups for thousands of years. You look at other immigration groups in our countries history, they all faced discrimination and hatred at first in this country. Now you just consider them "white" and act like they're the ones who have had it easy. I think Frank Costello (the Departed) said it best "no one is going to give it to you, you have to take it."

    And quite frankly, I'd say if you want to teach white privilege, you also have to teach iq discrepancy on the basis of race. How do you feel about that? Its something that has been widely discussed and supported, and we'd simply be "educating people." But I'm not for teaching either, because its teaching people to judge individuals and what may be true over an entire population is not always true on an individual level. But if you're going to teach one for the "education factor" I'd say you have to teach both.

    And here's the thing, race is a social construct. But why do we have to accept it as such? Teaching about white privilege merely validates the construct. Why? Shouldn't we be teaching students to get rid of the social construct, not trying to validate it?
    1. I wish I had gone to your school.

    2. White privilege doesn't mean that success is determined by race.

    3. White privilege doesn't mean that white people "owe" anyone anything.

    4. White privilege doesn't mean that white people don't have to study or work while other people buy iPads.

    5. White privilege doesn't mean that all white people have "had it easy."

    6. I have no problem teaching students about IQ discrepancies, their origins and their effects. Good suggestion.

    7. Race is a social construct. Teaching about white privilege doesn't "validate" it; teaching about white privilege acknowledges the effects that that social construct has on society and individuals within it.

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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    As for the OP question, no it does not exist. There are more down and out, struggling to 'get by' white people than there are of other 'races' in this country... more whites on 'public assistance' than other races in this nation.

    The whole concept is just more left wing race bating BS.
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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Then you have phenomenally inadequate reading comprehension skills, because what was typed by me was nothing like what you have imagined to be typed.



    It's already obvious that you steadfastly refuse to acknowledge reality. It's not a matter of agreement or disagreement, because we are not talking about opinions. You are free to continueremaining willfully ignorant by disavowing the existence of objective reality if you like, that is certainly your prerogative, but you will not be any less incorrect by doing so.




    I love it when someone calls pointing out the fact nitpicking when they do not want to acknowledge reality. You can tell that they have become "exacerbated" when they do this.



    The fact remains, race is a social construct that exists and has effects. What you are calling a fact is an opinion of yours. Humanity is not even a race, it is a species. By trying to feign "technical" accuracy, you failed to recognize the obvious fact that if the social construct of race ceases to exist, there are NO RACES AT ALL. Only a single species.



    To claim that the social construct of race doesn't exist and that it doesn't have effects is not simply ignorant, it's delusional.
    Oh great...seemingly yet another bored fellow who likes to breakdown discussions into tiny little bits so he can try and make nonsensical points just to try and make himself feel superior in some way.

    Sorry man, I have no desire to do that...life is way too short.

    And no, I am not exacerbated...I find you atypical of many people I find in 'race'-based threads. Sad and rather amusing. Or to put another way...I don't take you all that seriously...no offense intended. I sincerely do not feel you have made a straightforward and accurate substantive point to me yet.

    Interesting though how you tell me I am exacerbated even after I tell you I am not. Makes me wonder if you do that to people in the real world (tell them what they are feeling even if they claim otherwise).


    My point remains. There is only one 'race' (IMO) - the human race.

    And to suggest that someone is a different 'race' strictly because they happen to have a cerrtain amount of melanin in their skin is (IMO) ignorant (I took out the 'extremis' part...it was probably too extreme).


    Since you obviously do not agree with me or do and just like to argue/debate (I can't quite tell which), I/see further discussion with you on this subject as pointless.


    So, have a nice day.

    BTW, for the record...I am a 'white' male.
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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arbo View Post
    As for the OP question, no it does not exist. There are more down and out, struggling to 'get by' white people than there are of other 'races' in this country... more whites on 'public assistance' than other races in this nation.
    Here's the question, though, how do those facts (which I am neither disputing nor denying in any way, as they are facts) "prove" that white privilege doesn't exist?

    The existence of white privilege does not prevent the effects of wealth privilege or education privilege from being seen in the white community as well as non-white communities.
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    Re: Does "white privilege" exist? If so, should it be corrected?

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Here's the question, though, how do those facts (which I am neither disputing nor denying in any way, as they are facts) "prove" that white privilege doesn't exist?

    The existence of white privilege does not prevent the effects of wealth privilege or education privilege from being seen in the white community as well as non-white communities.
    What the hell is this babbling about? Argument for the sake of arguing? Sorry, the SNL skit Eddie Murphy did about 'white people' is not reality, no matter how much some want to fuel the false fire...
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