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Are assault weapons more or less dangerous than pistols?[W: 207]

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CLAX1911 said:
He doesn't even have a clue what he is talking about.
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It would seem like he hasnt ever shot a gun before.
 
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sangha said:
I ignored what I thought was irrelevant, such as

"They can be fired one handed but you wont hit anything. Ive tried it before with both a weapon with a pistol grip and a weapon without one and they were both impossible to hit anything with. So no it doesnt make it any easier with a pistol grip and I dont understand why you would even try firing a weapon one handed if you wanted to actually hit your target which I would assume if your firing a weapon at someone you do intend to hit your target."

because your anecdotal experience firing one handed is irrelevant. It proves nothing other than your own capabilities (or lack thereof).

I posted the link because it shows that one handed firing is both possible and useful in some circumstances.

And one handed shooting is relevant to a discussion that includes mass shooting because they often move about the location, opening doors as they proceed. Having one hand free, while having the other ready to fire is useful for someone planning to move around and shoot many people.

And the link discusses shooting a rifle with one hand
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I was talking about the part of my post that was talking about changing magazines. You ignored that part.

The Remington 870 isnt a rifle but ok. Did that shotgun have a pistol grip or not? Because from what I understand police issued Remington 870s dont have pistol grips which would actually prove my point.
 
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Omgitsme said:
I was talking about the part of my post that was talking about changing magazines. You ignored that part.

The Remington 870 isnt a rifle but ok. Did that shotgun have a pistol grip or not? Because from what I understand police issued Remington 870s dont have pistol grips which would actually prove my point.
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Oh, I see. Ok, here's my response

You argued that having a pistol grip doesn't make it easier to release the magazine. The thing is, I never said a pistol grip made it easier to release the mag. What I said was that ahving a pistol grip made it easier to locate the magazine release in a more egonomic position, which in turn makes it easier to release the magazine while keeping ones finger on the trigger and the other hand free

And it doesn't matter if that shotgun had a pistol grip. I posted the link to show that one handed shooting was possible, and in some situations, desireable.
 
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Omgitsme said:
I was talking about the part of my post that was talking about changing magazines. You ignored that part.

The Remington 870 isnt a rifle but ok. Did that shotgun have a pistol grip or not? Because from what I understand police issued Remington 870s dont have pistol grips which would actually prove my point.
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you can't prove a point to someone with no knowledge.

guns are ba-a-a-a-ad. he doesn't even know what he's talking about, he is arguing a point he doesn't even understand.
 
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sangha said:
Oh, I see. Ok, here's my response

You argued that having a pistol grip doesn't make it easier to release the magazine. The thing is, I never said a pistol grip made it easier to release the mag. What I said was that ahving a pistol grip made it easier to locate the magazine release in a more egonomic position, which in turn makes it easier to release the magazine while keeping ones finger on the trigger and the other hand free
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What is more ergonomic than extending your index finger straight out which is how AR magazines are released? BTW, why would you release a magazine with you finger on the trigger?
 
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sangha said:
Oh, I see. Ok, here's my response

You argued that having a pistol grip doesn't make it easier to release the magazine. The thing is, I never said a pistol grip made it easier to release the mag. What I said was that ahving a pistol grip made it easier to locate the magazine release in a more egonomic position, which in turn makes it easier to release the magazine while keeping ones finger on the trigger and the other hand free
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It doesnt make it easier to locate the magazine release either. Good placement of the magazine release is what makes it easier to locate and use.

Would you care to respond the rest of my last post?

The Remington 870 isnt a rifle but ok. Did that shotgun have a pistol grip or not? Because from what I understand police issued Remington 870s dont have pistol grips which would actually prove my point.
 
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sangha said:
And it doesn't matter if that shotgun had a pistol grip. I posted the link to show that one handed shooting was possible, and in some situations, desireable.
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Ok you edited your post to include this so I will respond. I never said it wasnt possible to fire one handed but it certainly is never desirable. Sometimes it might be necessary however.
 
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Omgitsme said:
It doesnt make it easier to locate the magazine release either. Good placement of the magazine release is what makes it easier to locate and use.

Would you care to respond the rest of my last post?

The Remington 870 isnt a rifle but ok. Did that shotgun have a pistol grip or not? Because from what I understand police issued Remington 870s dont have pistol grips which would actually prove my point.
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I did respond to the last bit, and again you are arguing things I never said. In this case "a pistol grip is the only way to provide good placement for a mag release"
 
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Omgitsme said:
Ok you edited your post to include this so I will respond. I never said it wasnt possible to fire one handed but it certainly is never desirable. Sometimes it might be necessary however.
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Thank you. I had a feeling you cuold be reasonable.

Now, can you see how and why that might be useful to a mass shooter?

And saying yes doesn't mean that one-handed shooting is the desirable or preferable way for a mass shooter to go around shooting. It just means that a mass shooter might find such a capability useful, depending on the circumstances.
 
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sangha said:
I did respond to the last bit, and again you are arguing things I never said. In this case "a pistol grip is the only way to provide good placement for a mag release"
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Yeah I saw that you edited your post to include your response to the last part of the post.

And I never said that you said that a pistol grip is the only way to provide a good placement for a mag release. What you said is it makes it easier to locate the mag release and I said that it doesnt and that good placement of the mag release is what makes it easy to locate.
 
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sangha said:
I did respond to the last bit, and again you are arguing things I never said. In this case "a pistol grip is the only way to provide good placement for a mag release"
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So it's okay on a pump shogun, being that there is no releasing the magazine, or a simiauto shotgun, the magazine isn't removable.
 
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sangha said:
Thank you. I had a feeling you cuold be reasonable.

Now, can you see how and why that might be useful to a mass shooter?

And saying yes doesn't mean that one-handed shooting is the desirable or preferable way for a mass shooter to go around shooting. It just means that a mass shooter might find such a capability useful, depending on the circumstances.
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I can see how firing one handed might be useful to a mass shooter in a small amount of cases but I dont see how a pistol grip can be useful to a mass shooter.
 
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They both kill when used on animal or human.My opinion...IJS :peace
 
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Omgitsme said:
Yeah I saw that you edited your post to include your response to the last part of the post.

And I never said that you said that a pistol grip is the only way to provide a good placement for a mag release. What you said is it makes it easier to locate the mag release and I said that it doesnt and that good placement of the mag release is what makes it easy to locate.
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OK, fair enough. On some rifles, a pistol grip doesn't make it easier to place the mag release in an ergonomic position. On others, it does. It depends on the design of the weapon.

But either way, it's really not the critical issue. The critical issues are that pistol grips help stabilize the weapon, allow for better grip (whicih improves accuracy), and makes one handed fire easier. All of these are fators that can facilitate a mass shooting.
 
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Omgitsme said:
I can see how firing one handed might be useful to a mass shooter in a small amount of cases but I dont see how a pistol grip can be useful to a mass shooter.
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All other things being equal, a rifle with a pistol grip is easier to fire one handed than one without one.
 
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sangha said:
OK, fair enough. On some rifles, a pistol grip doesn't make it easier to place the mag release in an ergonomic position. On others, it does. It depends on the design of the weapon.

But either way, it's really not the critical issue. The critical issues are that pistol grips help stabilize the weapon, allow for better grip (whicih improves accuracy), and makes one handed fire easier. All of these are fators that can facilitate a mass shooting.
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Thats exactly my point! Its not the pistol grip that makes the mag release easier to locate its the design of the weapon.

What exactly do you mean by stabilize?

Pistol grips dont help improve accuracy. Most snipers rifles dont have pistol grips and are more accurate then most weapons with pistol grips. Plus accuracy isnt that important when in a mass shooting due to the close ranges at which they tend to occur. Even an inaccurate rifle such as an AK47 is still relatively accurate up to like 400 yards or so.

Pistol grips dont make one handed fire easier. Its just has hard to use a weapon with a pistol grip one handed as it is to use a weapon without a pistol grip one handed.
 
sangha said:
All other things being equal, a rifle with a pistol grip is easier to fire one handed than one without one.
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I just have to ask...have you ever tried to fire an M4 or similar style rifle one handed and actually hit something?
 
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sangha said:
All other things being equal, a rifle with a pistol grip is easier to fire one handed than one without one.
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:lol: :doh A pistol is easier to fire accurately one handed than a rifle. :roll:

A pistol (generally) uses smaller, lighter rounds than a rifle and thus allows carrying more total rounds. The opitmal weapon choice for mass cacualties, in close quarters, is using multiple semi-automatic pistols with plenty of back-up magazines. Multiple pistols are also easier to conceal, to gain the element of surprise, allowing easier entry and access to the killing zone.
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
:lol: :doh A pistol is easier to fire accurately one handed than a rifle. :roll:

A pistol (generally) uses smaller, lighter rounds than a rifle and thus allows carrying more total rounds. The opitmal weapon choice for mass cacualties, in close quarters, is using multiple semi-automatic pistols with plenty of back-up magazines. Multiple pistols are also easier to conceal, to gain the element of surprise, allowing easier entry and access to the killing zone.
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Exactly! Assault rifles are a terrible weapon of choice for mass shootings. Smaller concealable weapons are the best choice.
 
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Omgitsme said:
Thats exactly my point! Its not the pistol grip that makes the mag release easier to locate its the design of the weapon.

What exactly do you mean by stabilize?

Pistol grips dont help improve accuracy. Most snipers rifles dont have pistol grips and are more accurate then most weapons with pistol grips. Plus accuracy isnt that important when in a mass shooting due to the close ranges at which they tend to occur. Even an inaccurate rifle such as an AK47 is still relatively accurate up to like 400 yards or so.

Pistol grips dont make one handed fire easier. Its just has hard to use a weapon with a pistol grip one handed as it is to use a weapon without a pistol grip one handed.
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Fair enough (regarding mag releases)

Stabilize = keep steady and on target.

Many professionals disagree about the accuracy. Anything that makes you more comfortable, and gives you a better grip, is going to contribute to accuracy. And whether a snipers rifle has them or not says nothing about whether or not they help with accuracy on a weapon that is not a snipers' rifle.

And pistol grips most certainly can make it easier to file a rifle one handed.
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
:lol: :doh A pistol is easier to fire accurately one handed than a rifle. :roll:

A pistol (generally) uses smaller, lighter rounds than a rifle and thus allows carrying more total rounds. The opitmal weapon choice for mass cacualties, in close quarters, is using multiple semi-automatic pistols with plenty of back-up magazines. Multiple pistols are also easier to conceal, to gain the element of surprise, allowing easier entry and access to the killing zone.
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I'm not sure what your point is.

Are you saying that there are other weapons which are suitable for killing lots of people? If so, you're right, but that's irrelevant to the question of whether a pistol grip can make a rifle more dangerous.
 
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