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Are assault weapons more or less dangerous than pistols?[W: 207]

Re: Are assault weapons more or less dangerous than pistols?

I can list all the qualifications for what constitutes an assault weapons here is anyone wants.
 
Re: Are assault weapons more or less dangerous than pistols?

Yes, you were right.

Now that your ego has been stroked and your deviation arrested. Do you have anything to say about this topic?

Or just more word games?

I have already addressed the question asked in the OP, and several people have posted opinions similar to mine.

You would know this if you weren't so obsessed with proving me wrong even though you know that I was right
 
Re: Are assault weapons more or less dangerous than pistols?

Because the true functions of these accessories are being labeled "dangerous," when no subsequent increase in danger or lethality is involved. The functions as described by the anti-gun faction are, in fact, cosmetic, as they only "look" more dangerous.

You failed to answer my question - why should these features such as pistol grips, collapsible stocks, and barrel shrouds be banned?

If that is the case, then shouldn't the response be an explanation of what those features do and how they do not pose any danger to the public? Wouldn't that be more effective (and honest) than arguing the falsehood that they are purely cosmetic?
 
Re: Are assault weapons more or less dangerous than pistols?

There is plenty of ignorance on both sides of this debate.

A telescoping stock allows a custom fit for the user and doesn't provide a much smaller package; a rifle with a telescoping stock may save four inches in overall length while collapses, which does not suddenly make a rifle "concealable." A folding stock might save seven or eight inches, and again doesn't magically make an eight pound hunk of metal with a twenty inch barrel "concealable."

Pistol grips do not make a rifle fire faster nor service targets faster. If that were the case, competition trap and skeet shooters would use pistol grips as their sport involves rapidly changing aim; they do not use pistol grips. The greatest advantage a pistol grip confers is to shorten the overall length of a rifle by maybe two inches, while offering some adjustability for length of pull. Even so, if you combine a pistol grip with a folding stock (in the folded position), you are looking at maybe ten inches shorter overall length (and the rifle is not in a usable configuration when the stock is folded).

Barrel shrouds are designed to keep the user from burning their hands, nothing more, nothing less. Some shrouds come with rails to mount accessories, such as flash lights, night vision scopes, laser designators, etc... none of which make a rifle deadlier or easier to shoot.

The arbitrary number of five or seven rounds for a detachable magazine is just that - arbitrary. A magazine change can be performed in less than a second. I can do one in about a second, and I don't have anything in the way of formal training for rapid reloads. A second is not enough time to rush an attacker, especially not from a position of cover that someone would be in if actively being shot at (and not being armed themselves). If you want to eliminate the advantages of a thirty round magazine... then you have to outlaw any magazine, of any capacity. And that is an entirely different debate, one that will not pass the public sniff test.

It is simple sensationalism to say that COSMETIC features be a basis for banning a gun. It is simply the current administration attacking the constitution that it clearly despises. The attempt to disarm the people is the goal, this safety nonsense is just to garner support from the people to blinded by the party loyalty to get a grip on reality.
 
Re: Are assault weapons more or less dangerous than pistols?

I have already addressed the question asked in the OP, and several people have posted opinions similar to mine.

You would know this if you weren't so obsessed with proving me wrong even though you know that I was right

You're dismissed.
 
Re: Are assault weapons more or less dangerous than pistols?

If that is the case, then shouldn't the response be an explanation of what those features do and how they do not pose any danger to the public? Wouldn't that be more effective (and honest) than arguing the falsehood that they are purely cosmetic?

they are purely cosmetic in most cases.
 
Re: Are assault weapons more or less dangerous than pistols?

If that is the case, then shouldn't the response be an explanation of what those features do and how they do not pose any danger to the public? Wouldn't that be more effective (and honest) than arguing the falsehood that they are purely cosmetic?

I put a bayonet on my pistol because it looks cool. Yup, cosmetic, seems you don't know what cosmetic means
 
Re: Are assault weapons more or less dangerous than pistols?

no need.

An assault weapon is a weapon used in an assault. nothing else.

Somehow I don't think that "baseball bat" gets legally classified as an assault weapon regardless of how many assaults you make with it.
 
Re: Are assault weapons more or less dangerous than pistols?

Somehow I don't think that "baseball bat" gets legally classified as an assault weapon regardless of how many assaults you make with it.

If used during an assault, how else would you classify it?
 
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Somehow I don't think that "baseball bat" gets legally classified as an assault weapon regardless of how many assaults you make with it.

If it is used in an assault, than it is the.weapon used in an assult, typically reffered to as an assalt weapon.

Legally speaking, a frying pan is no different than a bazooka when involved in assault.

A weapon that assaults people, that is absurd. Weapons are just objects until used by an assailant in an assault.

An object can't assault you. So really the only assault weapon is an assailant.
 
Re: Are assault weapons more or less dangerous than pistols?

If used during an assault, how else would you classify it?

his statements totally wrong, when entered into evidence the bat or a frying pan for the brick used in assault, were the weapons of assault. I've set on numerous court cases where they refer to object is deadly weapons or assault weapons, typically the bricks are bats couple pairs of scissors steak knives pistols fists automobiles lumber modified clubs, tools.

calling an object that was not used in an assault, an assault weapon, is tantamount to saying the weapon is guilty of assault. totally completely absurd
 
Re: Are assault weapons more or less dangerous than pistols?

If used during an assault, how else would you classify it?

Wow and I thought that sangha's "cosmetic" semantic argument was pitiful! The legal definition of an assault weapon and the colloquial definition are probably quite different. Legally an assault weapon is still an assault weapon even if it is never used in an assault. By the definition provided by Clax and supported by you, Paul, no bullet spitting device could ever be banned unless and until it was used in an assault and then only that single device, not the line. By that same definition, as a green belt Tae Kwon Do student, having been in sparing matches, I would need to be banned since I have assaulted someone, along with them assaulting me. It may have been a consensual assault, but it was still assault!

Edit: I was in the process of writting this when Clax made his two above post, but I'll let it stand regardless.
 
Re: Are assault weapons more or less dangerous than pistols?

If that is the case, then shouldn't the response be an explanation of what those features do and how they do not pose any danger to the public? Wouldn't that be more effective (and honest) than arguing the falsehood that they are purely cosmetic?

One could argue that is precisely what the current administration is avoiding at all costs. It is far more honest, and effective, to point out that these features have become targets simply because they "look scary," because there is no other rational argument in the case for their ban. Pistol grips do not make a weapon fire faster, nor do barrel shrouds increase muzzle velocity, nor do folding stocks make a rifle fit in your pocket. They are not inherently dangerous features, but instead of criticizing the left for failing to support that argument, you instead blast away at the right for making the contra-argument. All we have left is "scary looking," and that is no basis for a system of legislation.

Gun control has everything to do with control, and nothing to do with guns.
 
Re: Are assault weapons more or less dangerous than pistols?

Wow and I thought that sangha's "cosmetic" semantic argument was pitiful! The legal definition of an assault weapon and the colloquial definition are probably quite different. Legally an assault weapon is still an assault weapon even if it is never used in an assault. By the definition provided by Clax and supported by you, Paul, no bullet spitting device could ever be banned unless and until it was used in an assault and then only that single device, not the line. By that same definition, as a green belt Tae Kwon Do student, having been in sparing matches, I would need to be banned since I have assaulted someone, along with them assaulting me. It may have been a consensual assault, but it was still assault!

assault weapons shouldn't be banned, its redundant, because Assault is banned all this focus on the weapon and its just an object not guilty of assault, or even capable of being guilty. You are not allowed to carry a modifide club (baseball bat used as an assault weapon) but you can have one, they aren't banned, no object should be banned based on its misuse.

For the record punching someone (outside of a boxing ring) is concidered aggrivated assault, if you are a black belt, it could be assault with a deadly weapon. That is why I practice krav maga, no belts.
 
Re: Are assault weapons more or less dangerous than pistols?

his statements totally wrong, when entered into evidence the bat or a frying pan for the brick used in assault, were the weapons of assault. I've set on numerous court cases where they refer to object is deadly weapons or assault weapons, typically the bricks are bats couple pairs of scissors steak knives pistols fists automobiles lumber modified clubs, tools.

calling an object that was not used in an assault, an assault weapon, is tantamount to saying the weapon is guilty of assault. totally completely absurd

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Couldn't find any where they referred to the object as "assault weapon" or "weapon of assault"
 
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One could argue that is precisely what the current administration is avoiding at all costs. It is far more honest, and effective, to point out that these features have become targets simply because they "look scary," because there is no other rational argument in the case for their ban. Pistol grips do not make a weapon fire faster, nor do barrel shrouds increase muzzle velocity, nor do folding stocks make a rifle fit in your pocket. They are not inherently dangerous features, but instead of criticizing the left for failing to support that argument, you instead blast away at the right for making the contra-argument. All we have left is "scary looking," and that is no basis for a system of legislation.

Gun control has everything to do with control, and nothing to do with guns.

I'm glad to see that you agree with me that saying that these features are "only cosmetic" is not only wrong, but an ineffetive argument to make.

And I don't criticize the left for claiming that those features (or at least most of them) make guns more dangerous is because they do make the guns more dangerous

Rate of fire and muzzle velocity are not the only measures of a weapons effectiveness.
 
Re: Are assault weapons more or less dangerous than pistols?

assault weapons shouldn't be banned, its redundant, because Assault is banned all this focus on the weapon and its just an object not guilty of assault, or even capable of being guilty. You are not allowed to carry a modifide club (baseball bat used as an assault weapon) but you can have one, they aren't banned, no object should be banned based on its misuse.

For the record punching someone (outside of a boxing ring) is concidered aggrivated assault, if you are a black belt, it could be assault with a deadly weapon. That is why I practice krav maga, no belts.

The problem with your argument is that there is a legal definition of an assault weapon that is not the same as a weapon used in an assault. Now if you want to argue that such a label is bogus and should be removed from the argument, then by all means please make that thread. But that is not what your OP is about. Or maybe more to the point, your OP wasn't what you wanted it to be.
 
Re: Are assault weapons more or less dangerous than pistols?

I'm glad to see that you agree with me that saying that these features are "only cosmetic" is not only wrong, but an ineffetive argument to make.

And I don't criticize the left for claiming that those features (or at least most of them) make guns more dangerous is because they do make the guns more dangerous

Rate of fire and muzzle velocity are not the only measures of a weapons effectiveness.

Please, elucidate for me how pistol grips and barrel shrouds make a weapon more dangerous. We're all waiting.

I have never said that these features only have cosmetic uses, but any increase in danger they provide is purely cosmetic. THAT is the "cosmetic" argument.
 
Re: Are assault weapons more or less dangerous than pistols?

I'm glad to see that you agree with me that saying that these features are "only cosmetic" is not only wrong, but an ineffetive argument to make.

And I don't criticize the left for claiming that those features (or at least most of them) make guns more dangerous is because they do make the guns more dangerous

Rate of fire and muzzle velocity are not the only measures of a weapons effectiveness.

Then I believe that you need to show how each of those features increases a given weapon's deadliness. At least one person here has shown where some of those features have made the weapon less deadly or effective.
 
Re: Are assault weapons more or less dangerous than pistols?

I can list all the qualifications for what constitutes an assault weapons here is anyone wants.

The military version, the 1994 AWB version or the 2013 AWB version? Please inform us of your "official" definition including what makes it official.
 
Re: Are assault weapons more or less dangerous than pistols?

Please, elucidate for me how pistol grips and barrel shrouds make a weapon more dangerous. We're all waiting.

I have never said that these features only have cosmetic uses, but any increase in danger they provide is purely cosmetic. THAT is the "cosmetic" argument.

Pistol grips allow a better grip on the weapon, make it easier to fire with one hand, thus allowing better manueverability on the part of the shooter.

Barrel shrouds help the shooter from being injured from the heat of a gun that has been repeatedly fired in a short time
 
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