Right but why are you focusing on the pistol grip if you acknowledge that there are better ways of improving the stability of a weapon?
The first link is business insider an certainly not a good source for info on guns. The second is a retail store that makes a claim that their grips can improve the stability of a weapon but nothing to back it up. Your third link is a bunch of peoples opinions but no real data. Your fourth link doesnt even have a source for where it is claimed that a pistol grip improves the stability of a weapon. Im looking for data here and your just not providing it. Remember when I talked about studies comparing rifles with and without pistol grips?
Its the best way of measuring the range of what a weapon can be effective in terms of accuracy which is what we were talking about remember? We were talking about the accuracy of a weapon not mattering because of the range that most shots occur in mass shootings and you said that not all shots are taken at close range to which I replied that since the max effective range of the SKS is 400-430 yards it would have no problem being effective at about 100 yards which is what I would guess would be the longest shot anyone would need to take during a mass shooting. If you have a better way to measure that then please by all means go ahead and tell me what it is.
Nice try at dancing around trying not to admit that I have a point.
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Not all semi-automatic rifles are difficult to control. I have fired ones that are and ones that are not.
Someone well trained on a suitable weapon can place a lot of bullets in a designated target area - even with a semi-automatic rifle.
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ANd I'm not the one who is focusing on pistol grips. It's the rightwingers who are repeating falsehoods such as "pistol grips are solely cosmetic", and "pistol grips do not make the weapon more dangerous" who are focusing on pistol grips.
ANd yes, the first link is not definitive, but the other links corrorborate it.
The 2nd shows that my claim is not without merit. I could just as easily say that your claim that a pistol grip does nothing has nothing to back it up.
I'm not sure what you're looking for when you say you want data. The fact that several sources corroborate my claim ...is that not data?
And no, I don't remember ever agreeing that max eff range is the best measure of accuracy, particularly when talking about mass shootings. RE: a better measure - I dont think any one factor can be used as the definitive measure of effectiveness. The point here is whether or not a pistol grip makes a weapon more dangerous. If it makes a shooter more effective *at any range*, then it has made the weapon more dangerous
Your links do not show anything. I could easily find a few bad sources that back up my opinion like you have. And your right I havent backed up my position with links yet. But you are the one who made the claim so you should have to be the one to back it up.
Ive stated what I want when I say data. I want something that actually took and compared a rifle with a pistol grip and a rifle without a pistol grip to see if the one with a pistol grip is more accurate, more stable, and all the other things you claim it does.
I never said that you agreed with me that the max effective range is the best measure of accuracy. Read what I wrote again. I said it is the best way to measure the range of what a weapon can be accurate at. I then went on to explain that we were talking about ranges that a weapon can be effective at.
I think ya'll are over-thinking this.
Common sense definition of an assault rifle: If a rifle is a semi automatic and it was trialed or selected in any police or military tactical rifle trial, it is an assault rifle. Make and maintain a list.