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    Re: Are assault weapons more or less dangerous than pistols?[W: 207]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That is an odd way to look at "dangerous". While more fatalities per crash occur in airline crashes, car crashes claim far more lives. Your chance of being a victim (the truest danger factor?) of a mass shooting is far, far less than that of dying from many, many other things. Mass shootings occur about twice per year (50 victims tops?), on average, while other gun crime claims about 10,000 victims per year.

    What is most scary about mass shootings is that they are typically done by really insane folks that no law will effectively deter since these killers do not care to survive the event. This "fear factor" is what leads many to wish to restrict the freedom of all, via gun control, to prevent that teeny, tiny number of loons from succeeding in their insane quests to kill lots of folks.

    The problem is that by creating more unarmed victims, via restrictive (and expensive) gun control, that overall crime deaths will likely rise - actually costing more innocent lives than are saved by possibly reducing mass shootings.

    http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub...08.pdf#page=27
    Though I wouldn't call it "odd" (maybe "uncommon" is better), I do agree that the aggregate total is more relevant because it's a more accurate measure of the danger to *me*, and I think we'll both agree, my safety is the highest priority
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    Re: Are assault weapons more or less dangerous than pistols?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Not if they're being reasonable. Providing a better grip is the primary purpose of a pistol grip



    Again, the fact that there are other, or even better, ways of stabilizing a weapon doesn't mean that a pistol grip does not help stabilize a weapon.




    I have provided links for all things I claimed about a pistol grip, with the exception that they provide a better grip. I assumed that people who claim to know so much about weapons would know about this fundamental fact. But I will now remedy the lack of supporting links

    Here's A Glossary Of Need-To-Know Terms For The Assault Weapons Ban Debate - Business Insider

    Gun Stocks & Grips SALE Rifle Stocks, 1911 Grips, Shotgun Stocks, Pistol Grips

    advantages of a pistol grip [Archive] - Calguns.net

    Pistol grip - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



    I don't think it's a good way of measuring the effectiveness of a weapon intended to be used in a mass shooting where the overwhelming # of people are much closer than that. In this case, it not only not the only measure of accuracy or effectiveness, it's not even the best one
    Except that it isnt the sole purpose. Its comfort.

    Right but why are you focusing on the pistol grip if you acknowledge that there are better ways of improving the stability of a weapon?

    The first link is business insider an certainly not a good source for info on guns. The second is a retail store that makes a claim that their grips can improve the stability of a weapon but nothing to back it up. Your third link is a bunch of peoples opinions but no real data. Your fourth link doesnt even have a source for where it is claimed that a pistol grip improves the stability of a weapon. Im looking for data here and your just not providing it. Remember when I talked about studies comparing rifles with and without pistol grips?

    Its the best way of measuring the range of what a weapon can be effective in terms of accuracy which is what we were talking about remember? We were talking about the accuracy of a weapon not mattering because of the range that most shots occur in mass shootings and you said that not all shots are taken at close range to which I replied that since the max effective range of the SKS is 400-430 yards it would have no problem being effective at about 100 yards which is what I would guess would be the longest shot anyone would need to take during a mass shooting. If you have a better way to measure that then please by all means go ahead and tell me what it is.

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    Re: Are assault weapons more or less dangerous than pistols?[W: 207]

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    situation still doesn't matter, if person A and B are not killers, then the situation isn't dangerous.
    In which case it has nothing to do with this subject. Remember...."it was about which 1 poses a bigger danger, danger is something that affects people." Since we're talking about posing the biggest danger then Person A and Person B would naturally have to be willing to kill.

    Nice try at dancing around trying not to admit that I have a point.
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    Re: Are assault weapons more or less dangerous than pistols?

    Quote Originally Posted by Omgitsme View Post
    Thats not actually true. A fully automatic weapon is very hard to control and you wont get very many hits on target with one while a semiautomatic weapon is very easy to control and you can get several hits on target.
    That depends on the weapon and the experience of the owner.

    Not all semi-automatic rifles are difficult to control. I have fired ones that are and ones that are not.

    Someone well trained on a suitable weapon can place a lot of bullets in a designated target area - even with a semi-automatic rifle.

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    Re: Are assault weapons more or less dangerous than pistols?

    Quote Originally Posted by Omgitsme View Post
    Except that it isnt the sole purpose. Its comfort.

    Right but why are you focusing on the pistol grip if you acknowledge that there are better ways of improving the stability of a weapon?

    The first link is business insider an certainly not a good source for info on guns. The second is a retail store that makes a claim that their grips can improve the stability of a weapon but nothing to back it up. Your third link is a bunch of peoples opinions but no real data. Your fourth link doesnt even have a source for where it is claimed that a pistol grip improves the stability of a weapon. Im looking for data here and your just not providing it. Remember when I talked about studies comparing rifles with and without pistol grips?

    Its the best way of measuring the range of what a weapon can be effective in terms of accuracy which is what we were talking about remember? We were talking about the accuracy of a weapon not mattering because of the range that most shots occur in mass shootings and you said that not all shots are taken at close range to which I replied that since the max effective range of the SKS is 400-430 yards it would have no problem being effective at about 100 yards which is what I would guess would be the longest shot anyone would need to take during a mass shooting. If you have a better way to measure that then please by all means go ahead and tell me what it is.
    it doesn't have to be it's sole purpose. If it helps the shooter get a firmer grip, it helps make the weapon more dangerous in his hands.

    ANd I'm not the one who is focusing on pistol grips. It's the rightwingers who are repeating falsehoods such as "pistol grips are solely cosmetic", and "pistol grips do not make the weapon more dangerous" who are focusing on pistol grips.

    ANd yes, the first link is not definitive, but the other links corrorborate it.

    The 2nd shows that my claim is not without merit. I could just as easily say that your claim that a pistol grip does nothing has nothing to back it up.

    I'm not sure what you're looking for when you say you want data. The fact that several sources corroborate my claim ...is that not data?

    And no, I don't remember ever agreeing that max eff range is the best measure of accuracy, particularly when talking about mass shootings. RE: a better measure - I dont think any one factor can be used as the definitive measure of effectiveness. The point here is whether or not a pistol grip makes a weapon more dangerous. If it makes a shooter more effective *at any range*, then it has made the weapon more dangerous
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    Re: Are assault weapons more or less dangerous than pistols?

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    That depends on the weapon and the experience of the owner.

    Not all semi-automatic rifles are difficult to control. I have fired ones that are and ones that are not.

    Someone well trained on a suitable weapon can place a lot of bullets in a designated target area - even with a semi-automatic rifle.
    Umm im slightly confused. I was saying that fully automatic weapons are difficult to control not semiautomatic weapons.

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    Re: Are assault weapons more or less dangerous than pistols?[W: 207]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Since you hav, in the past, asked me several questions about my positions on guns, and I have answered, it's your turn to be questioned

    Are pistol grips "purely cosmetic", or do they have a function?

    If the latter, what is the function that pistol grips perform?

    Do pistol grips provide a better grip, help the shooter keep the weapon stable?

    Can it help with the shooters accuracy?

    Does it make it easier for the shooter to fire the weapon one handed, so that the user can use the other hand for other purposes (such as opening doors, etc)?
    None of those things create a divide between what is legal and what is too dangerous for people to own



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    Re: Are assault weapons more or less dangerous than pistols?[W: 207]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    In which case it has nothing to do with this subject. Remember...."it was about which 1 poses a bigger danger, danger is something that affects people." Since we're talking about posing the biggest danger then Person A and Person B would naturally have to be willing to kill.

    Nice try at dancing around trying not to admit that I have a point.
    you have no point, your point was the situation is more dangerous depending on the gun. my point is the situation is only as dangerous as the people involved.

    since when is stating fact dancing around? or are you just another political hack?

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    Re: Are assault weapons more or less dangerous than pistols?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    it doesn't have to be it's sole purpose. If it helps the shooter get a firmer grip, it helps make the weapon more dangerous in his hands.

    ANd I'm not the one who is focusing on pistol grips. It's the rightwingers who are repeating falsehoods such as "pistol grips are solely cosmetic", and "pistol grips do not make the weapon more dangerous" who are focusing on pistol grips.

    ANd yes, the first link is not definitive, but the other links corrorborate it.

    The 2nd shows that my claim is not without merit. I could just as easily say that your claim that a pistol grip does nothing has nothing to back it up.

    I'm not sure what you're looking for when you say you want data. The fact that several sources corroborate my claim ...is that not data?

    And no, I don't remember ever agreeing that max eff range is the best measure of accuracy, particularly when talking about mass shootings. RE: a better measure - I dont think any one factor can be used as the definitive measure of effectiveness. The point here is whether or not a pistol grip makes a weapon more dangerous. If it makes a shooter more effective *at any range*, then it has made the weapon more dangerous
    I dont care if the right wingers are focusing on pistol grips or not or what they are saying. I do believe that pistol grips do not make a weapon more dangerous however.

    Your links do not show anything. I could easily find a few bad sources that back up my opinion like you have. And your right I havent backed up my position with links yet. But you are the one who made the claim so you should have to be the one to back it up.

    Ive stated what I want when I say data. I want something that actually took and compared a rifle with a pistol grip and a rifle without a pistol grip to see if the one with a pistol grip is more accurate, more stable, and all the other things you claim it does.

    I never said that you agreed with me that the max effective range is the best measure of accuracy. Read what I wrote again. I said it is the best way to measure the range of what a weapon can be accurate at. I then went on to explain that we were talking about ranges that a weapon can be effective at.

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    Re: Are assault weapons more or less dangerous than pistols?

    I think ya'll are over-thinking this.

    Common sense definition of an assault rifle: If a rifle is a semi automatic and it was trialed or selected in any police or military tactical rifle trial, it is an assault rifle. Make and maintain a list.

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