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    Re: Are assault weapons more or less dangerous than pistols?[W: 207]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Actually statistics abound showing that pistols are, by far, the weapon of choice for most crime. It is not convenient or discrete to walk about with an AW, while a pistol in your pocket or waistband is very handy and discrete. While mass shooters do not generally care about escape most criminals are after money and/or revenge and wish to live to enjoy it.
    True. If you're going to measure danger by the aggregated total of deaths, then pistols are by far the most dangerous. However, that's not the only way to measure danger

    If you were to measure it by looking at the weapons used in the individual incidents with the greatest number of gun fatalities, rifles, particularly assault rifles, are common at the top of that list.
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    Re: Are assault weapons more or less dangerous than pistols?[W: 207]

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Actually statistics abound showing that pistols are, by far, the weapon of choice for most crime. It is not convenient or discrete to walk about with an AW, while a pistol in your pocket or waistband is very handy and discrete. While mass shooters do not generally care about escape most criminals are after money and/or revenge and wish to live to enjoy it.
    Of course they are, most crime happens with in 20 feet of the perpetrator and the victim. IE convience stores, banks etc etc. Think about it...what gun is favored in drive by shootings? Pistols? Or semi-automatic rifles? Is that same type of weapon going to be used in a convience store? Probably not. The only time pistols might be used in a drive by is if there is more than one person shooting.
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    Re: Are assault weapons more or less dangerous than pistols?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    We've been through this before, Turtle

    "cosmetic" does not mean "doesn't increase the dangerousness", and even you agreed that some of the features that others describe as "only cosmetic" are in fact useful to a mass shooter (ex pistol grip), though not as useful as it is to a soldier in combat
    what we both know, and I will say, is that none of those features create a rational reason for causing weapons with the features to be banned



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    Re: Are assault weapons more or less dangerous than pistols?

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    Of course reasonable people can disagree about if a pistol grip provides a better grip or not.
    Not if they're being reasonable. Providing a better grip is the primary purpose of a pistol grip

    The thing is your ignoring all the other better ways of stabilizing a weapon and focusing on the pistol grip which doesnt provide any noticeable increase of stability if any at all.
    Again, the fact that there are other, or even better, ways of stabilizing a weapon doesn't mean that a pistol grip does not help stabilize a weapon.


    You havent shown that a pistol grip can do any of the things that you claim it can do. The only thing I agree with you on is that a pistol grip is more comfortable and even then thats more personal preference then anything else. If you want your claims to have any sort of validity to them you need to provide proof such as a study comparing the accuracy of a weapon with a pistol grip and one without or the stability of a weapon with a pistol grip and one without. You havent provided any.
    I have provided links for all things I claimed about a pistol grip, with the exception that they provide a better grip. I assumed that people who claim to know so much about weapons would know about this fundamental fact. But I will now remedy the lack of supporting links

    http://www.businessinsider.com/heres...debate-2012-12

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    And yes max effective range isnt the only measure of effectiveness but when you are talking about the accuracy of a weapon which we were it is the best measure of effectiveness.
    I don't think it's a good way of measuring the effectiveness of a weapon intended to be used in a mass shooting where the overwhelming # of people are much closer than that. In this case, it not only not the only measure of accuracy or effectiveness, it's not even the best one
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    Re: Are assault weapons more or less dangerous than pistols?[W: 207]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    True. If you're going to measure danger by the aggregated total of deaths, then pistols are by far the most dangerous. However, that's not the only way to measure danger

    If you were to measure it by looking at the weapons used in the individual incidents with the greatest number of gun fatalities, rifles, particularly assault rifles, are common at the top of that list.
    there have never been any massacres by civilians in the USA of other civilians using ASSAULT RIFLES. those firearms were not invented until WWII and there has NEVER been a case of a legally owned "assault rifle" being used in a massacre. Nor is there any examples of ILLEGAL ones being used to massacre US citizens in the USA



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    Re: Are assault weapons more or less dangerous than pistols?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    what we both know, and I will say, is that none of those features create a rational reason for causing weapons with the features to be banned
    That is a completely seperate question.

    But I've been pretty clear with you as far as my position on bans
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    Re: Are assault weapons more or less dangerous than pistols?[W: 207]

    Quote Originally Posted by CLAX1911 View Post
    it was about which 1 poses a bigger danger, danger is something that affects people.

    not sure what you mean by your post stands. but it wouldn't actually depend on the environment for the situation, it would depend on the people.

    situation doesn't mean people
    Lets pose a scenario...

    Two people that are equally capable with a pistol are in two seperate situations. Person A is walks into a convience store with a pistol. Person B is in a car by themselves with a pistol going to do a drive by. Who's going to be more likely to hit the victim? Person A? Or Person B? Now put an assault rifle in their hands instead of a pistol. The victim sees Person A enter the store with a piss poorly concealed rifle...think they are just going to stand there? Where as the victim for Person B still don't know they are about to be hit. Who's more likely going to hit the victim?
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    Re: Are assault weapons more or less dangerous than pistols?[W: 207]

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    there have never been any massacres by civilians in the USA of other civilians using ASSAULT RIFLES. those firearms were not invented until WWII and there has NEVER been a case of a legally owned "assault rifle" being used in a massacre. Nor is there any examples of ILLEGAL ones being used to massacre US citizens in the USA
    Since you hav, in the past, asked me several questions about my positions on guns, and I have answered, it's your turn to be questioned

    Are pistol grips "purely cosmetic", or do they have a function?

    If the latter, what is the function that pistol grips perform?

    Do pistol grips provide a better grip, help the shooter keep the weapon stable?

    Can it help with the shooters accuracy?

    Does it make it easier for the shooter to fire the weapon one handed, so that the user can use the other hand for other purposes (such as opening doors, etc)?
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    Re: Are assault weapons more or less dangerous than pistols?[W: 207]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Lets pose a scenario...

    Two people that are equally capable with a pistol are in two seperate situations. Person A is walks into a convience store with a pistol. Person B is in a car by themselves with a pistol going to do a drive by. Who's going to be more likely to hit the victim? Person A? Or Person B? Now put an assault rifle in their hands instead of a pistol. The victim sees Person A enter the store with a piss poorly concealed rifle...think they are just going to stand there? Where as the victim for Person B still don't know they are about to be hit. Who's more likely going to hit the victim?
    situation still doesn't matter, if person A and B are not killers, then the situation isn't dangerous.

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    Re: Are assault weapons more or less dangerous than pistols?[W: 207]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    True. If you're going to measure danger by the aggregated total of deaths, then pistols are by far the most dangerous. However, that's not the only way to measure danger

    If you were to measure it by looking at the weapons used in the individual incidents with the greatest number of gun fatalities, rifles, particularly assault rifles, are common at the top of that list.
    That is an odd way to look at "dangerous". While more fatalities per crash occur in airline crashes, car crashes claim far more lives. Your chance of being a victim (the truest danger factor?) of a mass shooting is far, far less than that of dying from many, many other things. Mass shootings occur about twice per year (50 victims tops?), on average, while other gun crime claims about 10,000 victims per year.

    What is most scary about mass shootings is that they are typically done by really insane folks that no law will effectively deter since these killers do not care to survive the event. This "fear factor" is what leads many to wish to restrict the freedom of all, via gun control, to prevent that teeny, tiny number of loons from succeeding in their insane quests to kill lots of folks.

    The problem is that by creating more unarmed victims, via restrictive (and expensive) gun control, that overall crime deaths will likely rise - actually costing more innocent lives than are saved by possibly reducing mass shootings.

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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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