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    Re: Are assault weapons more or less dangerous than pistols?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    the failure is claiming that certain features that make a weapon more useful to the military also makes it more Dangerous

    that is stupid. commonality of parts is extremely useful for the military and its armorers. has no relationship to dangerousness, same with bayonet lugs, adjustable stocks (soldiers come in all sizes) etc
    We've been through this before, Turtle.

    Cosmetic doesn't mean "more dangerous", particularly if we're talking about mass shooters. However, that doesn't mean that the feature is "purely" or "only" cosmetic.
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    Re: Are assault weapons more or less dangerous than pistols?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paratrooper View Post
    Number of murders in 2011 by weapon type:
    "Assault Rifles":323
    Handguns: 6,220

    fistfights:745
    knife:1704
    other non-gun weapons (bats, clubs, etc):1772

    As you can see of every type of weapon "Assault Rifles" were used the least and by a significant margin.

    They may be capable of doing alot of damage in the wrong hands but obviously the drawbacks of using them are enough that they contribute minimally to the overall ammount of murders.
    That is not a function of lethality, it is a function of practical day to day needs. Pistols are used in robbery, which is a daily crime in america. The true intent to murder lots of people is a rare occurrence performed by sick people. It is the intent of the person that accounts for more murders with handguns, not the lethality of the weapon. If a person wanted to commit a truly mass murder, he would conceal himself with an assault rifle. If you didn't have an assault rifle, which is clearly a better choice, you could use a bolt action if necessary and do quite a lot of damage, like the tower killer on the Univ. of Tx. campus in the 60's, the first mass killer that I remember.
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    Re: Are assault weapons more or less dangerous than pistols?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    We've been through this before, Turtle.

    Of course some features are of little use to a demented mass killer. But that doesn't change the fact that those features are more than cosmetic.
    they are "cosmetic" in the sense that they do not increase the "dangerousness" of the weapon or make it more suitable for criminal enterprise



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    Re: Are assault weapons more or less dangerous than pistols?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    they are "cosmetic" in the sense that they do not increase the "dangerousness" of the weapon or make it more suitable for criminal enterprise
    We've been through this before, Turtle

    "cosmetic" does not mean "doesn't increase the dangerousness", and even you agreed that some of the features that others describe as "only cosmetic" are in fact useful to a mass shooter (ex pistol grip), though not as useful as it is to a soldier in combat
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    Re: Are assault weapons more or less dangerous than pistols?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    "reduces recoil" is functional; not cosmetic
    On some firearms it is. On others it is not.

    I have not read any other person than you who wants laws passed to make firearms less accurate. And, as I noted, what you MOST want is to outlaw precision target rifles (such as the Olympics teams use) and bolt action hunting rifles.

    A .223 Bullpup without a muzzlebrake is a better interior people-killer than a .223 with one because without it is shorter and more easily concealed. So you also WANT laws to make firearms more easily concealable.

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    Re: Are assault weapons more or less dangerous than pistols?

    If sangha says the C word one more time, I'm gonna go punch an Avon lady.

    Why are mods letting him derail this thread?

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    Re: Are assault weapons more or less dangerous than pistols?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    We've been through this before, Turtle

    "cosmetic" does not mean "doesn't increase the dangerousness", and even you agreed that some of the features that others describe as "only cosmetic" are in fact useful to a mass shooter (ex pistol grip), though not as useful as it is to a soldier in combat

    You've spun off hung up on the word "cosmetic" and it's just making your messages stupid. Really.

    I don't understand why the gun-control crowd doesn't stick with such as high capacity magazines to ban, rather than going after items that are for precision shooting (target) and hunting. All that does is round up the greatest possible number of opponents to gun control and makes all the talk about "shotguns for home defense" and "hunters will still have hunting rifles" a huge lie - and millions of people - unlike you - do understand the difference.

    But you also reveal yourself. You truly do not care about function or lives. You just want guns to LOOK nice, even if more deadly.

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    Re: Are assault weapons more or less dangerous than pistols?

    I'm not the one who is hung up on the word cosmetic. The people who are hung up on the word are the rightwing gunnies who dishonestly claim that certain functional features are "only cosmetic"
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    Re: Are assault weapons more or less dangerous than pistols?

    Obviously I am pro-gun rights, but a rifle is more deadly than a pistol of equal caliber inherently for bullet velocity, plus a rifle is easier to impulse aim. However, pistols and revolvers (there is a difference) are responsible for most murders because they are concealable. Rifles generally are not concealable.


    I suspect that among civilians, cheap little .22 6 shot revolvers and .25 7 shot semi-auto Saturday specials have been used in more murders than any other firearm because they are cheap and easy to hide - only they tend to kill slowly.

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    Re: Are assault weapons more or less dangerous than pistols?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I'm not the one who is hung up on the word cosmetic. The people who are hung up on the word are the rightwing gunnies who dishonestly claim that certain functional features are "only cosmetic"
    No, that's all in your head. Anyone who actually understands firearms recognized the exact differences. The difference between a wood stock and a black fiberglass stock and an aluminum stock are for the most part "cosmetic." However, circumstantially, typical climate, humidity and temperature factors may cause one to be a better choice. Often, cost is the decisive factor - for both the military and civilians.

    But the other reason you should give-this-up about "cosmetics" is it has you arguing for inaccurate firearms that people can control - and trying to force people away from target and hunting rifles towards higher capacity semi-autos.

    You know what firearm you are MOST raging against? Extreme precision, single shot .22 target rifles that have pistol grips, thumbhole stocks and muzzlebrakes. That also is THE rifle LEAST capable of "mass killing" as it is a slow loading heavy single shot tiny caliber.

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