Now that we have straightened out you wrongly attributed the OP and Poll to me... let's straighten out Paragraph 1 of your post once and forever.
No, I clearly demonstrated that, by proxy, since you agreed with the poll, my post was on target. Trying to distance yourself from an idiotic, partisan poll now won't do you any good. You've already associated yourself with it.
1. You folks didn't like my definition of Socialist. Why? Perhaps it is because you don't like being associated with a knowingly failed ideology.
See, this is you making stuff up because you can't debate what actually is the issue. You showed that you didn't know what the definition of the word "socialist" actually is. You attributed it, in a partisan hack and invalid way to things that are not socialist. You were corrected. You have failed to learn that correction and have continued to present an inaccurate definition since. The only fault that is mine is that I have continued to allow you to do this without reminding you of the correction.
2. You folks claim that because the state does not control the means of production, it's not socialist. That's cute. It's also intellectually bankrupt.
A party that foments and pushes Socialist legislation, and a party of supporters that propagandize for it... are pushing "Socialism", and are acting like "Socialists". And that IS the behavior of most Demokrats... aka Socialists of Amerika Partei (SAPs). For the mass of Demokrats, there doesn't seem to be a Socialist program or legislation they disapprove of.
Poor zim. Doesn't understand the concept of overgeneralizing. This is your most common error when you debate. You will take a set of concept, attribute a definition to them, and then overgeneralize, claiming that the entirety of the group in question is defined by your overgeneralization. Here, let me demonstrate:
Conservatives do not believe in gay marriage.
Conservatives do not believe in affirmative action.
Conservatives do not support abortion rights... and therefore do not support the rights of women.
Not supporting minority groups is discrimination.
Therefore, conservatives are bigots.
See what happens when you overgeneralize and you idiotic definitive associations? Your argument looks DUMB. Now, do I believe what I wrote above? Yes and no. I believe that conservatives, in general, believe the first three things... but for a variety of reasons. My fourth line is an incorrect definition and omits the possibility for MANY other reasons that conservatives might believe those things (state's rights, different and valid definitions of both assistance and life, for example). Because the fourth line is incorrect, my fifth line conclusion is illogical. It is also illogical because it overgeneralizes. Now, do I think you will admit to doing this? Nah. You post like a hack and we know from MRI scans that when a hack is confronted with the lack of logic or accuracy of their position, cognitive dissonance sets in and they are unable to accept their errors. So no, I have no illusions that you will listen to anything I say. You can't. It would destroy your entire false belief system. No, I present this so that others will know how you post and how to deal with you.
3. Because you don't accept my definition:
So... now that we've cleared that up, and you've been educated... I invite you up here for some more. Don't be shy
Guess what zim? You still don't know the difference between a socialist government and a government that has some socialist policies. I tried to teach you this way back in a thread in 2009, but you refused to listen... hence your continued inaccurate posting for the past 4 years.
Keep being wrong and illogical, zim. It's good contrast.