View Poll Results: Who to Blame for Obamacares' Failures?

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  • They wil blame Republicans, claiming Obamacare was their idea

    57 44.19%
  • They will blame themselves for not pushing single payer

    29 22.48%
  • They will blame providers and insurers for attempting to survive

    60 46.51%
  • IT WAS THAT VILLIAN, GEORGE BUSH!

    63 48.84%
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Thread: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Oddly, this related to one of my biggest beefs with Obamacare. The proper way to reform anything as big as the US healthcare system is incrementally, small steps, see what happens, fix them, and then more small steps.
    This. I'd have loved it if we had gotten universal health care in one fell swoop, but demanding that or nothing would have been committing the perfection fallacy.

    (It's not called the "perfection" fallacy, I can't remember the name, but you know what I'm referring to so there).

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    You forgot the 5th choice, the one that WILL BE the correct answer.

    The Public.

    They will blame the citizens of these United States. The cigerette smoking, Big Gulp drinking, trans-fatty acid eating. disgusting, sit on their butt fat-bodies that they are.

    Mark my words...

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    You forgot the 5th choice, the one that WILL BE the correct answer.

    The Public.

    They will blame the citizens of these United States. The cigerette smoking, Big Gulp drinking, trans-fatty acid eating. disgusting, sit on their butt fat-bodies that they are.

    Mark my words...
    So we can extend blame to the fast food industry while we're at it. Might as well.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    So we can extend blame to the fast food industry while we're at it. Might as well.

    I've always been one of them fellas who concerns himself with solutions, not blame...

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    I've always been one of them fellas who concerns himself with solutions, not blame...
    That's...nice?

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    That's...nice?

    don't have to say it twice...

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Right, so. Obamacare is now bending the cost-curve up, millions are going to lose their health insurance, the IRS is saying that the cheapest plan under Obamacares' exchanges will cost $20,000 for a family of five by 2016 and increase out of pocket costs even AFTER the subsidies, the hundreds of billions in cuts to Medicare to fund the program will cause many doctors to stop taking Medicare patients, and if we don't make those cuts to providers, then the costs of Obamacare, which are already rising, to explode. 26 States are refusing to work with HHS, and Obamacare's implementation, already well behind track threatens to fall further and further behind even as it is announced that they will not, actually, technically, so-to-speak, be able to help the people the bill was purported to aid.




    So. As this disaster of a behemoth of a bill continues to flail and fail, who are the Democrats going to blame? How far down the rabbit hole are they willing to go, ears plugged, eyes closed?
    Well, this is a republican plan and not UHC. But, exactly what is different here than before care? Cost where going up then. People were losing their insurance then. So, how can you support healthcare reform is the cause? And not merely a continuation of the same problem? Assuming of course that your premise is accurate to begin with (my insurance went down slightly).

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    don't have to say it twice...
    I'm not entirely convinced you needed to say it once.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    One of the funniest things is that liberals often bitch about Republicans essentially being for sale by the corporations, but they turn a blinder to what a huge blowjob Obama gave to the insurance lobby over this. Those state health exchanges - do you really think it's going to be a government organization providing that? Nope. Still private coverage. Plus they'll be clustered together by user which is a further attempt to subjugate those on the low end of the spectrum - a real fist job to the slugs. So many people will get the "bronze" package which is essentially comparable to PLPD on your vehicle.

    If a Republican did that, he'd be vilified to a level that makes Bush look like Jesus.
    Democrats are for sale for corporations, but Republicans are an arm of corporations.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    However, part of me wishes this to get implanted. Most of the people who voted for Obama because of the illusion of UHC are the ones who will get screwed by it the most. Frankly, I will enjoy sitting back and watching rampant stupidity get punished dearly.
    Unfortunately, all of us are going to get screwed over by this stupidity, to a roughly equal degree.

    It's too bad we cannot ship Obama and all of his supporters off to another country of their own, and let them all live with the consequences of their stupidity, while those of us who remain behind who have better than room-temperature IQs can vote in a government reflecting this difference.
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