View Poll Results: Who to Blame for Obamacares' Failures?

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  • They wil blame Republicans, claiming Obamacare was their idea

    57 44.19%
  • They will blame themselves for not pushing single payer

    29 22.48%
  • They will blame providers and insurers for attempting to survive

    60 46.51%
  • IT WAS THAT VILLIAN, GEORGE BUSH!

    63 48.84%
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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Your poll is also prefaced by the assumption that Obamacare will fail.
    And even assuming it does fail, I will blame Republicans for forcing the Democrats to negotiate (pointlessly) a watered-down bill that hopelessly steered away from UHC, the Democrats for that concession, and the the health insurance companies who played a large part in writing the resulting bill.

    Blame for all.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    And even assuming it does fail, I will blame Republicans for forcing the Democrats to negotiate (pointlessly) a watered-down bill that hopelessly steered away from UHC, the Democrats for that concession, and the the health insurance companies who played a large part in writing the resulting bill.

    Blame for all.
    And then you'd be wrong in doing so. UHC was never on the table. Obama himself took it off the table very early on in closed door meetings with insurance execs.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Heebie Jeebie View Post
    Are they suffering and dying now?
    "Could" is the key.
    As to what the masses are doing...I know not, do you ?
    As I am part of the masses......suffering ?
    Yes, a chronic blood nose problem, the ultra expensive doctor/hospital failed to fix 100%, and I'll not return due to the excruciating pain..
    Or another problem, a chronic common cold.. a man pays out a lot of money and time to find out that our "medical system" can do nothing..
    Last edited by earthworm; 02-18-13 at 01:58 PM.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    And even assuming it does fail, I will blame Republicans for forcing the Democrats to negotiate (pointlessly) a watered-down bill that hopelessly steered away from UHC, the Democrats for that concession, and the the health insurance companies who played a large part in writing the resulting bill.

    Blame for all.
    How many Republicans voted for the bill and how many Republican votes did they need to get? They didn't compromise with the Republicans, I believe most of the compromise was between left wing Dems and more moderate Dems.
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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    How many Republicans voted for the bill and how many Republican votes did they need to get? They didn't compromise with the Republicans, I believe most of the compromise was between left wing Dems and more moderate Dems.
    I was wondering when someone was going to point this out. However, people who support it are really not worth debating on this subject. Delusional.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    And then you'd be wrong in doing so. UHC was never on the table. Obama himself took it off the table very early on in closed door meetings with insurance execs.
    I tried to be careful to couch my post in the context that neither Republicans nor health insurance companies were single handedly responsible for diminishing any hope of uhc. Any concession to the insurance companies would almost by definition declaw uhc, but there were other concessions to Republicans such as an agreement to back away from a government plan to compete with private insurers, and to allow states to opt out of the program.

    As I said, blame for all.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    "Could" is the key.
    As to what the masses are doing...I know not, do you ?
    As I am part of the mwasses...suffering ?
    Yes, a chronic blood nose problem, the ultra expensive doctor/hospital failed to fix 100%, and I'll not return due to the excruciating pain..
    Or another problem, a chronic common cold...pay out a lot of money and time to find out that our "medical system" can do nothing..
    Well they all ARE dying so what do you propose we do about it?
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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Your poll is also prefaced by the assumption that Obamacare will fail.
    Thatís a foregone conclusion.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by zgoldsmith23 View Post
    I thought ACA kicked in January 1, 2014? How can it be a failure before it starts?
    If its designed wrong to begin with then its a failure before it starts. Like the Spruce Goose.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I tried to be careful to couch my post in the context that neither Republicans nor health insurance companies were single handedly responsible for diminishing any hope of uhc. Any concession to the insurance companies would almost by definition declaw uhc, but there were other concessions to Republicans such as an agreement to back away from a government plan to compete with private insurers, and to allow states to opt out of the program.

    As I said, blame for all.
    That's nice, but single payer was off the table BEFORE any congressional discussion began and it was taken off the table by Obama himself (Pelosi played along, lying about it all the way of course).

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