View Poll Results: Who to Blame for Obamacares' Failures?

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  • They wil blame Republicans, claiming Obamacare was their idea

    57 44.19%
  • They will blame themselves for not pushing single payer

    29 22.48%
  • They will blame providers and insurers for attempting to survive

    60 46.51%
  • IT WAS THAT VILLIAN, GEORGE BUSH!

    63 48.84%
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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    They wil blame Republicans, claiming Obamacare was their idea...

    ...and they already have.
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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    The GOP. Politics is based on the art of war, and we all know that deception is a tactic in war. This POTUS has really excelled in seemingly making it Ok to lye, then stonewall.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    it was bush!

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Huh. Given all we've been told about how awesome Germany is because they have single-payer, etc... why do you have a private plan, and why does this keep you from the public one?
    I know that. The Germans make a lot of their social system and tell everybody. The media continuously broadcast to the population how it is much better than the American one. If you focus on a given issue, however, you will find smoke and mirrors at work. This is true in many areas.

    If you earn above a certain level, you are not forced to pay the public fee, which depends on your income up to a cap. The reason to take out private insurance is that the medical quality you receive is much better. Obviously you no longer wait in waiting rooms much. But the important thing is that you get top grade medical treatment immediately. While a friend in the public system had to wait for 2 months for a cat scan after diagnosis of a probably malignant tumor in his skull, I got one next day for what they thought was probably a harmless cyst but could have in theory been a benevolent tumor.

    For a long time and in many cases still it was impossible to enter the public system, if you had been in a private plan. This led to a large number of people who, not being any longer able to pay the private plan were uninstallable and actual got treatment only if they could negotiate it on a time by time basis at the social center in a very complex ritual. Practically these people were excluded from all but emergency treatment if something happened. This was changed a bit.
    I know of people in the town who have been able to switch and some that were unable to do so. I have not investigated why there is a different handling.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I know that. The Germans make a lot of their social system and tell everybody. The media continuously broadcast to the population how it is much better than the American one. If you focus on a given issue, however, you will find smoke and mirrors at work. This is true in many areas.

    If you earn above a certain level, you are not forced to pay the public fee, which depends on your income up to a cap. The reason to take out private insurance is that the medical quality you receive is much better. Obviously you no longer wait in waiting rooms much. But the important thing is that you get top grade medical treatment immediately. While a friend in the public system had to wait for 2 months for a cat scan after diagnosis of a probably malignant tumor in his skull, I got one next day for what they thought was probably a harmless cyst but could have in theory been a benevolent tumor.

    For a long time and in many cases still it was impossible to enter the public system, if you had been in a private plan. This led to a large number of people who, not being any longer able to pay the private plan were uninstallable and actual got treatment only if they could negotiate it on a time by time basis at the social center in a very complex ritual. Practically these people were excluded from all but emergency treatment if something happened. This was changed a bit.
    I know of people in the town who have been able to switch and some that were unable to do so. I have not investigated why there is a different handling.
    That is... fascinating. Thank you very much.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Should we not find out if history shows the ACA to be a failure before we cast blame?

    Or, does the thread mean who to blame for the "glitches," rolling it out? For that, I blame Murphy's Law. I am not sure if it was the democrats or republicans that created Murphey's Law. But I curse the party that did. I hate Murphey's Law.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Comunitee View Post
    The question is flawed, since Obamacare will succeed.

    And after it does, and we've seen the proof, it means single-payer should be next.
    ...moreover, the voter will blame the Republicans, banishing them to a second rate party as this did (with modest exception) for the 20 years after the introduction of social security and 20 years after the introduction of Medicare. Once again, the Cons will be on the wrong side of history (you know, in their comfort zone)

    Perhaps one day the Cons will understand that political relevancy is about having original ideas, rather than thinking that choosing only impede the good ideas of other party is somehow a policy position.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Perhaps one day the Cons will understand that political relevancy is about having original ideas, rather than thinking that choosing only impede the good ideas of other party is somehow a policy position.
    That really goes both ways...
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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Perhaps one day the Cons will understand that political relevancy is about having original ideas, rather than thinking that choosing only impede the good ideas of other party is somehow a policy position.
    You mean like in the 90s when Republicans wanted to do a bunch of good things, including balance the budget, citing the term Contract with America that Democrats changed to Contract on America, equating Republican legislation to a Mafia hit?

    Yeah, it's a good thing that I just made that up, and it never happened. Democrats are so wholesome.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    You mean like in the 90s when Republicans wanted to do a bunch of good things, including balance the budget, citing the term Contract with America that Democrats changed to Contract on America, equating Republican legislation to a Mafia hit?

    Yeah, it's a good thing that I just made that up, and it never happened. Democrats are so wholesome.
    Homework assignment - list Republican legislative achievements of the past 100 years. Don't worry, its a pathetically short list..

    BTW... I loved the Contract with America. My congressman, Tom Tancredo, ran on term limits..... then when his term was to be theoretically limited (as it wasn't a law), he announced his work was much too important to step down. At least he had the guts to admit he changed his mind rather than selective memory that he had never made a big deal about term limits (because he made a VERY big deal about them)...

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