View Poll Results: Who to Blame for Obamacares' Failures?

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  • They wil blame Republicans, claiming Obamacare was their idea

    57 44.19%
  • They will blame themselves for not pushing single payer

    29 22.48%
  • They will blame providers and insurers for attempting to survive

    60 46.51%
  • IT WAS THAT VILLIAN, GEORGE BUSH!

    63 48.84%
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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grendel View Post
    We'll have to see if voters would rather fix it or scrap it. I haven't seen any polling on that.
    Actually, I checked polling report, and there are some clues.

    41% favor, 56% oppose, however, of the opposition, 12% say it's "not liberal enough". That is 53% who either favor it or want it to go even further.
    24% want to keep it as it is, 19% think it just needs some minor changes, 21% think it needs major changes. Only 29% think it needs to be repealed, entirely.
    However, a month ago, 52% thought it was a disaster waiting to happen, and only 45% thought it would work eventually.
    The majority of independents oppose it, but without qualification (ie. is it too liberal or not liberal enough, and should it be fixed or repealed), however, they very strongly oppose the tactics the GOP used to try to defund it, and that will hurt them at the polls.

    A month ago, also, 56% said make it work a well as possible, and 38% said cut funding to stop it.

    So, as it stands, the majority would likely break towards fixing, rather than repealing it. There's still 3 years to go, so I'd say if it's still a mess in 3 years, the democrats will be in a bad place. If it's working relatively well in 3 years, the GOP is ****ed. They've made their entire party the Repeal OC Party. They've already repealed it like 40 times. They've already shut down the government to stop it. They'll probably repeal it another dozen times before 2016. Then, when the DNC is running on fix OC, they'll still be running on repeal OC.

    So I think it really depends on the perception the public gets over the next 3 years: Is OC getting better, or getting worse, from here. I think that'll be the game, right there.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Right, so. Obamacare is now bending the cost-curve up, millions are going to lose their health insurance, the IRS is saying that the cheapest plan under Obamacares' exchanges will cost $20,000 for a family of five by 2016 and increase out of pocket costs even AFTER the subsidies, the hundreds of billions in cuts to Medicare to fund the program will cause many doctors to stop taking Medicare patients, and if we don't make those cuts to providers, then the costs of Obamacare, which are already rising, to explode. 26 States are refusing to work with HHS, and Obamacare's implementation, already well behind track threatens to fall further and further behind even as it is announced that they will not, actually, technically, so-to-speak, be able to help the people the bill was purported to aid.

    So. As this disaster of a behemoth of a bill continues to flail and fail, who are the Democrats going to blame? How far down the rabbit hole are they willing to go, ears plugged, closed?
    Looking at my insurance bill (Germany, about $850 a month after 35 years in the plan) $20.000 could be about right if it is subsidized.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grendel View Post
    Possibly, and the Republicans will still be running on repealing OC.
    Any GOP candidate will have to come up with his proposed alternative. It will be a repeal-and-replace campaign.

    We'll have to see which resonates with the voters the most. People did vote for health care reform in 2008 -- maybe not OC, but HC Reform in some fashion,
    No. People voted against Republicans, which liberals interpreted as them voting in favor of liberalism.

    and all the Republicans have offered was obstruction.
    Because that is precisely what they were elected to do. Even Massachusetts elected a Senator largely to provide a vote against Obamacare, which was and remains overwhelmingly unpopular.

    "Fix it" probably means "single payer". People wouldn't go that far in 2008, but they might in 2016 after getting used to the idea of federally managed health care. Or, they may recoil and want the whole system brought down. I have no idea which way the majority will break on that.
    Given the continuous unpopularity of the level of government takeover of healthcare present under Obamacare, I would put my money on the latter. The idea of government competence to run a healthcare system for Americans is going to take a double-whammy with the failure of Obamacare and the publicity surrounding Medicare/Medicaid going broke. Much as even wise military efforts such as Syria now face an impossible hill of skepticism in the context of the now-unpopular wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, so too, I suspect, shall single payer.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Looking at my insurance bill (Germany, about $850 a month after 35 years in the plan) $20.000 could be about right if it is subsidized.
    Wait. You live in Germany and you have health insurance costing you $850 a month?

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    The Dems will always blame everyone else every time no matter what the issue is.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Wait. You live in Germany and you have health insurance costing you $850 a month?
    Yep. Only because I have been insured so long, however. It is full coverage $ 3.500 self participation and would be a couple of Hundred Dollars more, if I had not joined so young.

    It is private. I cannot switch to a public plan easily, because I have a private plan.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hiram View Post
    The Dems will always blame everyone else every time no matter what the issue is.
    So we never see blame coming out of the GOP? What did you just start following politics or something?


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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    They'll blame Republicans, because that's what they do, and also because the individual mandate was their idea in the first place. Romney, McCain, Gingrich...ALL supported it at some point.

    So yeah, damn us for electing Obama because Romneycare or McCaincare would have been so different


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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Yep. Only because I have been insured so long, however. It is full coverage $ 3.500 self participation and would be a couple of Hundred Dollars more, if I had not joined so young.

    It is private. I cannot switch to a public plan easily, because I have a private plan.
    Huh. Given all we've been told about how awesome Germany is because they have single-payer, etc... why do you have a private plan, and why does this keep you from the public one?

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    The ‘Blame the Insurance Companies’ Spin Begins

    Campaign Spot, 10:45 a.m. yesterday:

    Democrats will attempt the shameless maneuver of insisting the problems with Obamacare — both the web site and the policy — are the fault of Republicans and that handy perennial scapegoat, health insurance companies.

    Senior Obama adviser Valerie Jarrett, 8:07 p.m.:

    FACT: Nothing in #Obamacare forces people out of their health plans. No change is required unless insurance companies change existing plans.
    Jarrett fails to mention that the insurance companies are changing existing plans because of the requirements of the Obamacare law.

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