View Poll Results: Who to Blame for Obamacares' Failures?

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  • They wil blame Republicans, claiming Obamacare was their idea

    57 44.19%
  • They will blame themselves for not pushing single payer

    29 22.48%
  • They will blame providers and insurers for attempting to survive

    60 46.51%
  • IT WAS THAT VILLIAN, GEORGE BUSH!

    63 48.84%
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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I've been told at a transplant center that more than likely a heart transplant is in my future
    Are you serious? What's your situation?

    And less important to your health, what's your take on this issue?

    All the best.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    I think the key elements of Obamacare will survive:

    - Universal health coverage to all Americans
    - Previously existing conditions not a basis for exclusion
    - No lifetime limits

    The rest is up for tweaking. Personally, I think employer based health insurance is the biggest problem and to a lesser degree, health insurance at all. Insurance companies exist for one reason only, to make money. There's nothing wrong with making money but ideally where there's a need that otherwise will not be met. We don't need cable-TV insurance to have cable-TV. We don't need fitness center insurance to join a gym. We don't need groceries insurance to buy food. We shouldn't need health insurance to have healthcare. There are other models that can be developed to pay for healthcare cost that don't include a middle-man mark up, doesn't involve your employer, can create market forces competition that drive down costs and encourages innovation, incentivizes healthy living and can treat everything from routine check-up preventive care to catastrophic major conditions for one affordable flat monthly rate. It would require an everybody-in individual mandate however where payment is tied to something we cannot avoid such as payroll deducted but into private healthcare associations run by hospitals or doctors groups that compete against each other for annual memberships where the whole country re-ups or switches the same month every year.
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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I think the key elements of Obamacare will survive:

    - Universal health coverage to all Americans
    - Previously existing conditions not a basis for exclusion
    - No lifetime limits
    Remember, it's not universal yet. You can opt out. Of course you'll be opting in as soon as you need it.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    Remember, it's not universal yet. You can opt out. Of course you'll be opting in as soon as you need it.
    That's one of many things that need to be fixed.
    Last edited by Smeagol; 09-11-13 at 05:13 PM.
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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    Are you serious? What's your situation?

    And less important to your health, what's your take on this issue?

    All the best.
    Yes I am serious I have a very rare (1 out of 100k) congenital heart defect.

    So far I've been very lucky. I was told a 1/3 stay the same a 1/3 get worse and a 1/3 show improvement. I'm at the top of that last 1/3.

    My take is "wow wgat a strange trip"

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Yes I am serious I have a very rare (1 out of 100k) congenital heart defect.

    So far I've been very lucky. I was told a 1/3 stay the same a 1/3 get worse and a 1/3 show improvement. I'm at the top of that last 1/3.

    My take is "wow wgat a strange trip"
    Good to hear. Have you had to investigate the organ transplant system before? If so, does it seem well run or flawed?

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    Good to hear. Have you had to investigate the organ transplant system before? If so, does it seem well run or flawed?
    It is my first journey. And I'm lucky I go to one of the top transplant centers in the country and it is pretty well run.

    I've moved over though to the congestive heart failure clinic though.

    There are actually artificial hearts and pumps now that people can live on while waiting for a transplant.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by greengirl77 View Post
    Better question is what happens when it works for the states that actually care about their people?? What will the Republicans do then. My guess it will be the final nail in the coffin.
    If there was evidence Socialist systems work I'd be the first o say OK! But it doesn't. Show me a socialist system that works. You can't.

    They're inefficient, slow, corrupt and costly. That's the effect when socialist HIV enters the system.
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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    It's NOT MY POLL. Whoops!

    CPWILL started the poll... so I was wondering what the hell you were talking about... hence the retracing your comment to my post which was not past tense.

    OC can wipe the egg of your face... I'll be generous... crap like that can happen.
    I see. I made a comment about cpwill's poll back in February and you commented on what I said in September. Didn't remember who made the poll. However, since you commented in the way that you did, you presented that you agree with the poll. Therefore, by proxy, my comment remains on target.

    See, zim... when you stick your nose into these situations, you tend to get it blown off.


    ROTFLOL... yeah right. You don't post up here because I'd boot your can all over DP... "inaccuracies and fallacies"... (ahem... like the huge dump of yours in this post... above?) if it's so easy, why not come out and destroy me... LOL...?

    In the words of our scummy little Secretary of State... Bring It On.
    Your posts bore me zim. Dumb partisan hack statements that have no basis in reality, misrepresent issues, and demonstrate a purposefully complete lack of understanding of basic definitions. Correcting you would be a full time job. I prefer to just allow your posts to stand for themselves and let people evaluate them on their lack of merit. The non-hacks around here recognize them for what they are: inconsequential. In general, zim, you do my work for me.
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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I tend to not interact with you much upstairs, zim. Your posts tend to be dumb partisan hack comments filled with inaccuracies and fallacies which really don't interest me much. I learned this the first time I interacted with you back in 2008 when you couldn't correctly define the word "socialist".



    My comment was a response to your poll question. Your poll question was flawed as it uses a begging the question logical fallacy and assumes that Obamacare WILL fail... a future tense comment. One cannot state that something HAS failed until it actually DOES fail... and for something to fail it has to actually apply. Obamacare will not apply until 2014. My comment demonstrated your fallacy (something that most of your posts contain) and showed that in order for your statement to make any sense, it must be PAST tense, which it is not.

    There. Now that I have diagrammed this situation for you, demonstrated that your entire thread is based on a stupid logical fallacy, showed that you don't understand verb tenses, please feel free to comment with your partisan screaming of "Nuh, Uh".
    Now that we have straightened out you wrongly attributed the OP and Poll to me... let's straighten out Paragraph 1 of your post once and forever.

    1. You folks didn't like my definition of Socialist. Why? Perhaps it is because you don't like being associated with a knowingly failed ideology.

    2. You folks claim that because the state does not control the means of production, it's not socialist. That's cute. It's also intellectually bankrupt.
    A party that foments and pushes Socialist legislation, and a party of supporters that propagandize for it... are pushing "Socialism", and are acting like "Socialists". And that IS the behavior of most Demokrats... aka Socialists of Amerika Partei (SAPs). For the mass of Demokrats, there doesn't seem to be a Socialist program or legislation they disapprove of.

    3. Because you don't accept my definition:




    So... now that we've cleared that up, and you've been educated... I invite you up here for some more. Don't be shy
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