View Poll Results: Who to Blame for Obamacares' Failures?

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  • They wil blame Republicans, claiming Obamacare was their idea

    57 44.19%
  • They will blame themselves for not pushing single payer

    29 22.48%
  • They will blame providers and insurers for attempting to survive

    60 46.51%
  • IT WAS THAT VILLIAN, GEORGE BUSH!

    63 48.84%
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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    You tried, you failed... Again. See below.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    You do not seem to understand verb tenses. In the context that I used the term "fail" means past tense. Since Obamacare has not been fully enacted as of yet, this would be the incorrect tense to use.

    Seems like ever since you got to DP, zim, I'm correcting you on how you use words.
    BS ALERT. ROTFLOL... there must be ample examples; try finding a few of your talent as a cunning linguist.

    Here is the post I replied to.
    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Your poll is also prefaced by the assumption that Obamacare will fail.
    Where is the past tense? It isn't there. "will fail" is future. "has failed" is past.

    Try, try again.
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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    You tried, you failed... Again. See below.


    BS ALERT. ROTFLOL... there must be ample examples; try finding a few of your talent as a cunning linguist.
    I tend to not interact with you much upstairs, zim. Your posts tend to be dumb partisan hack comments filled with inaccuracies and fallacies which really don't interest me much. I learned this the first time I interacted with you back in 2008 when you couldn't correctly define the word "socialist".

    Here is the post I replied to.


    Where is the past tense? It isn't there. "will fail" is future. "has failed" is past.

    Try, try again.
    My comment was a response to your poll question. Your poll question was flawed as it uses a begging the question logical fallacy and assumes that Obamacare WILL fail... a future tense comment. One cannot state that something HAS failed until it actually DOES fail... and for something to fail it has to actually apply. Obamacare will not apply until 2014. My comment demonstrated your fallacy (something that most of your posts contain) and showed that in order for your statement to make any sense, it must be PAST tense, which it is not.

    There. Now that I have diagrammed this situation for you, demonstrated that your entire thread is based on a stupid logical fallacy, showed that you don't understand verb tenses, please feel free to comment with your partisan screaming of "Nuh, Uh".
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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Of course you don't. Your ignorance on this recent story is illustrative of your ignorance of the failures of socialist medical systems. It was no fairy tale, it was a horror story where Sebelius illustrated the sickly, cold hand of government healthkare.

    Your ignorance of the failed Canadian system shows. I know the Canadian system, and you should read a book by a Canadian Doc called Code Blue. Google it, his name and read his articles.

    A case about the long waiting lists in Quebec (and they're nation wide) decided by the Quebec Supreme court... stated waiting lists do not constitute care. Now... why would such a case make it to court, and The Supreme Court?


    1. Treatment isn't free.
    2. The systems are bankrupt.
    3. You're talking months, even years.

    I was once just like you... I believed in the system... but the facts paint a different picture. It'd be nice if the Utopian Socialist Fairy Tale worked... it doesn't. It's not that it doesn't work... it's a miserable failure for all except those who escape it.
    Please tell me about the death panel girl, or post a link.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    My comment was a response to your poll question. Your poll question was flawed as it uses a begging the question logical fallacy and assumes that Obamacare WILL fail... a future tense comment.
    It's NOT MY POLL. Whoops!

    CPWILL started the poll... so I was wondering what the hell you were talking about... hence the retracing your comment to my post which was not past tense.

    OC can wipe the egg of your face... I'll be generous... crap like that can happen.

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I tend to not interact with you much upstairs, zim. Your posts tend to be dumb partisan hack comments filled with inaccuracies and fallacies which really don't interest me much. I learned this the first time I interacted with you back in 2008 when you couldn't correctly define the word "socialist".
    ROTFLOL... yeah right. You don't post up here because I'd boot your can all over DP... "inaccuracies and fallacies"... (ahem... like the huge dump of yours in this post... above?) if it's so easy, why not come out and destroy me... LOL...?

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    Please tell me about the death panel girl, or post a link.
    It was a lung transplant, not a liver. Isn't the bureaucracy wonderful? The Sebelius Death Panel at Work.
    In the end, due to a public outcry... and a judge... thanks to the ice cold testimony of Sebelius... she got her life saving transplant.
    Obamacare establishes death panels, and right now Sebelius is it. And that's what Obamacare says. I don't know how many times it says it in there, but the phrase "as the secretary shall determine,"
    http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/20..._year_old_girl
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    Sebelius... the cold iron fist of government healthkare.
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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Better question is what happens when it works for the states that actually care about their people?? What will the Republicans do then. My guess it will be the final nail in the coffin.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by greengirl77 View Post
    Better question is what happens when it works for the states that actually care about their people?? What will the Republicans do then. My guess it will be the final nail in the coffin.
    Great - others are talking about economics, and you're talking about touchy-feely girl crap.

    If it works, prepare to shell out more.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Right, so. Obamacare is now bending the cost-curve up, millions are going to lose their health insurance, the IRS is saying that the cheapest plan under Obamacares' exchanges will cost $20,000 for a family of five by 2016 and increase out of pocket costs even AFTER the subsidies, the hundreds of billions in cuts to Medicare to fund the program will cause many doctors to stop taking Medicare patients, and if we don't make those cuts to providers, then the costs of Obamacare, which are already rising, to explode. 26 States are refusing to work with HHS, and Obamacare's implementation, already well behind track threatens to fall further and further behind even as it is announced that they will not, actually, technically, so-to-speak, be able to help the people the bill was purported to aid.




    So. As this disaster of a behemoth of a bill continues to flail and fail, who are the Democrats going to blame? How far down the rabbit hole are they willing to go, ears plugged, eyes closed?



    One thing is being overlooked here: Who will Republicans blame for the success of Obamacare, for the GOP's failure to shut it down?

    I nominate the U.S. Supreme Court.

    Do you have any suspects?




    Please note that so far all GOP efforts to stop Obamacare have failed miserably.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    It was a lung transplant, not a liver. Isn't the bureaucracy wonderful? The Sebelius Death Panel at Work.
    In the end, due to a public outcry... and a judge... thanks to the ice cold testimony of Sebelius... she got her life saving transplant.

    Sebelius... the cold iron fist of government healthkare.
    http://hotair.com/archives/2013/06/0...g-10-year-old/
    A girl that was dying needed a transplant to live, and requirements had to be lifted so that she was eligible.

    If you want to call that a death panel, I think you have it backwards. The public outcry over this individual case compelled some judges and bureaucrats to change the rules for her, even when they wanted to stay out of the way. So they made a decision that saved her life by giving her the lung. Therefore, someone else who was waiting on a lung who was eligible under the rules lost their chance at receiving the lung. It's just that there are no human interest stories in the news about that person for whatever reason.

    If you're looking for a death panel, there it is. The people you thank for inserting themselves into the system saved a girl's life at the cost of someone else's.

    You're saying that it's unfair that she wasn't going to get the lung. So you are invoking emotion and sympathy for her in order to favor her over someone else. Aren't you part of a death panel, saying she should live, not another person?

    There is a list of over 100,000 people waiting for an organ transplant. They're not waiting because of some bureaucratic paperwork or red tape, they are waiting because there is a shortage of actual viable organs to give them. Because of how precious those few organs are, medical and health care professionals have instituted procedures and guidelines on how to make the most effective use of them and how to handle the mass of people that need them, prioritizing them in a way that no matter what will never be able to save everyone.

    So if I understand it right, Sebelius didn't want to disturb that delicate system, but enough people started screaming "death panel" that they actually forced her into one.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    A girl that was dying needed a transplant to live, and requirements had to be lifted so that she was eligible.

    If you want to call that a death panel, I think you have it backwards. The public outcry over this individual case compelled some judges and bureaucrats to change the rules for her, even when they wanted to stay out of the way. So they made a decision that saved her life by giving her the lung. Therefore, someone else who was waiting on a lung who was eligible under the rules lost their chance at receiving the lung. It's just that there are no human interest stories in the news about that person for whatever reason.

    If you're looking for a death panel, there it is. The people you thank for inserting themselves into the system saved a girl's life at the cost of someone else's.

    You're saying that it's unfair that she wasn't going to get the lung. So you are invoking emotion and sympathy for her in order to favor her over someone else. Aren't you part of a death panel, saying she should live, not another person?

    There is a list of over 100,000 people waiting for an organ transplant. They're not waiting because of some bureaucratic paperwork or red tape, they are waiting because there is a shortage of actual viable organs to give them. Because of how precious those few organs are, medical and health care professionals have instituted procedures and guidelines on how to make the most effective use of them and how to handle the mass of people that need them, prioritizing them in a way that no matter what will never be able to save everyone.

    So if I understand it right, Sebelius didn't want to disturb that delicate system, but enough people started screaming "death panel" that they actually forced her into one.
    I've been told at a transplant center that more than likely a heart transplant is in my future

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