View Poll Results: Who to Blame for Obamacares' Failures?

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  • They wil blame Republicans, claiming Obamacare was their idea

    57 44.19%
  • They will blame themselves for not pushing single payer

    29 22.48%
  • They will blame providers and insurers for attempting to survive

    60 46.51%
  • IT WAS THAT VILLIAN, GEORGE BUSH!

    63 48.84%
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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    It is failing as we speak. It's designed to fail.

    He's been acting like a Queen... handing out waivers to the faithful like they're party favors.

    This is Obama's Benghazi to the medical community and nation. Another pure fark up by our Enfant Terrible in de White Ouse and Les Ensemble of Court Jesters in the Ouse and Senate that passed it using tricks.
    If Republicans had their way, there'd be a waiver for everyone...because they'd repeal Obamacare and replace it with nothing.

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    Re: A Sucker Born Every Minute…

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    We get it! Republicans hate Obamacare. Fine. Let it be winner take all. If Obamacare is a disaster, you win. If it becomes an established pillar of the safety net with Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security, we win. And you don't get to claim you ever supported it.
    ROTFLOL... that collection of government intrusion isn't a safety net, it's a noose. A huge chunk of $60Trillion in unfunded liabilities... and we don't have the money.

    I'm not against assisting those that cannot help themselves; the mentally ill, physically handicapped... but theiving massive chunks of wealth, putting it through the government meat grinder and coming out with an empty sack at the end is no way to run a country... AND IT ISN'T THEIR RESPONSIBILITY. It is our personal responsibility, and this... not anti-American BS should be taught in schools and by parents...

    ... namely... you are responsible for you life. This is how a free society works. These are YOUR responsibilities. Plan and do.

    Instead we have an entire swath of people looking to and sucking on the nipple of that behemoth called government. It's pathetic. But that's what happens when the disease called Socialism infects society. Decay.

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    Re: A Sucker Born Every Minute…

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    ROTFLOL... that collection of government intrusion isn't a safety net, it's a noose. A huge chunk of $60Trillion in unfunded liabilities... and we don't have the money.

    I'm not against assisting those that cannot help themselves; the mentally ill, physically handicapped... but theiving massive chunks of wealth, putting it through the government meat grinder and coming out with an empty sack at the end is no way to run a country... AND IT ISN'T THEIR RESPONSIBILITY. It is our personal responsibility, and this... not anti-American BS should be taught in schools and by parents...

    ... namely... you are responsible for you life. This is how a free society works. These are YOUR responsibilities. Plan and do.

    Instead we have an entire swath of people looking to and sucking on the nipple of that behemoth called government. It's pathetic. But that's what happens when the disease called Socialism infects society. Decay.
    So you'll be sending your SS checks back when your old and wrinkly?

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    If Republicans had their way, there'd be a waiver for everyone...because they'd repeal Obamacare and replace it with nothing.
    Yes... we want that piece of garbage disposed of in the toxic waste dump where it belongs.

    It should be replaced by a free market system. You know... the same one that drives down costs of cars, computers, cell phones, and amazingly provides better and better service and products.

    It works all the time. Get government out of the equation, and let the free market work for the 650,000 service providers called doctors.
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    Re: A Sucker Born Every Minute…

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    Quote Originally Posted by aberrant85 View Post
    So you'll be sending your Ponzi Scheme checks back when your old and wrinkly?
    There won't be any. I won't qualify.
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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Yes... we want that piece of garbage disposed of in the toxic waste dump where it belongs.

    It should be replaced by a free market system. You know... the same one that drives down costs of cars, computers, cell phones, and amazingly provides better and better service and products.

    It works all the time. Get government out of the equation, and let the free market work for the 650,000 service providers called doctors.
    1. Healthcare is not a free market system. I know Antonin Scalia loves his broccoli, but you cannot just go and buy healthcare like you can buy broccoli. An insurer can refuse to sell you their product if you have hay fever, acne, or something as stupid.

    2. Even if it was a true free market, you do not comparison shop hospitals when you have a heart attack. You do not choose the cheapest doctor when it comes to surgery.

    3. This country's healthcare system is itself sick to death. Obamacare barely scratches the surface of it, but it's a start, by increasing the amount of people who are even given the chance to buy some of our crappy healthcare. Why, for instance, is health insurance tied to employment? Why do we pay more than other countries, and have less quality care? Why does the hospital charge you $10 for a ten cent aspirin? These are not questions that can be answered by the free market.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

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    Show me one socialist healthkare system that works and is solvent. There are none. That's why Canadians go to the US to get care.

    These systems ration, they have long waiting lists, they are corrupt, slow and view things like technology and Doctors as costs. They are corrupt systems that stagnate and where people suffer and die waiting for care.

    AND WHEN THE GOVERNMENT WAVES AT YOU WITH THEIR MIDDLE FINGER... you have no recourse. You'll wish for the insurance companies.

    Luckily for the little girl who was given the death penalty by Obama's Death Panel... because she was a few weeks short of some arbitrary age deadline... the public screamed. She got the care needed to save her life. Sebelius... Frau Death... basically, and coldly said... That's just the way it is.
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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Show me one socialist healthkare system that works and is solvent. There are none. That's why Canadians go to the US to get care.

    These systems ration, they have long waiting lists, they are corrupt, slow and view things like technology and Doctors as costs. They are corrupt systems that stagnate and where people suffer and die waiting for care.

    AND WHEN THE GOVERNMENT WAVES AT YOU WITH THEIR MIDDLE FINGER... you have no recourse. You'll wish for the insurance companies.

    Luckily for the little girl who was given the death penalty by Obama's Death Panel... because she was a few weeks short of some arbitrary age deadline... the public screamed. She got the care needed to save her life. Sebelius... Frau Death... basically, and coldly said... That's just the way it is.
    I don't know what you are talking about with regards to the Death Panel girl, is this some sort of fairy tale written by Sarah Palin?

    Canada may have problems, but people are not denied healthcare who need it. If you have a heart attack, you will see a doctor. If you hurt your knee but are otherwise OK, you may have to wait a significant amount of time to see one so patients with more dire needs can go first. Some may come to the US to get their knee fixed faster, but they must be pretty wealthy because most Canadians don't have health insurance that would work in the US, so they'd be paying in cash.

    If it were me, I'd limp for a few weeks if the treatment was good and free and I knew some emergency patients were being saved and not bankrupted. But I understand some people don't feel the same.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

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    I don't know what you are talking about with regards to the Death Panel girl, is this some sort of fairy tale written by Sarah Palin?
    Of course you don't. Your ignorance on this recent story is illustrative of your ignorance of the failures of socialist medical systems. It was no fairy tale, it was a horror story where Sebelius illustrated the sickly, cold hand of government healthkare.

    Canada may have problems, but people are not denied healthcare who need it.
    Your ignorance of the failed Canadian system shows. I know the Canadian system, and you should read a book by a Canadian Doc called Code Blue. Google it, his name and read his articles.

    A case about the long waiting lists in Quebec (and they're nation wide) decided by the Quebec Supreme court... stated waiting lists do not constitute care. Now... why would such a case make it to court, and The Supreme Court?

    If it were me, I'd limp for a few weeks if the treatment was good and free and I knew some emergency patients were being saved and not bankrupted. But I understand some people don't feel the same.
    1. Treatment isn't free.
    2. The systems are bankrupt.
    3. You're talking months, even years.

    I was once just like you... I believed in the system... but the facts paint a different picture. It'd be nice if the Utopian Socialist Fairy Tale worked... it doesn't. It's not that it doesn't work... it's a miserable failure for all except those who escape it.
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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    It is failing as we speak. It's designed to fail.

    He's been acting like a Queen... handing out waivers to the faithful like they're party favors.

    This is Obama's Benghazi to the medical community and nation. Another pure fark up by our Enfant Terrible in de White Ouse and Les Ensemble of Court Jesters in the Ouse and Senate that passed it using tricks.
    You do not seem to understand verb tenses. In the context that I used the term "fail" means past tense. Since Obamacare has not been fully enacted as of yet, this would be the incorrect tense to use.

    Seems like ever since you got to DP, zim, I'm correcting you on how you use words.
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