View Poll Results: Who to Blame for Obamacares' Failures?

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  • They wil blame Republicans, claiming Obamacare was their idea

    57 44.19%
  • They will blame themselves for not pushing single payer

    29 22.48%
  • They will blame providers and insurers for attempting to survive

    60 46.51%
  • IT WAS THAT VILLIAN, GEORGE BUSH!

    63 48.84%
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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Right, so. Obamacare is now bending the cost-curve up, millions are going to lose their health insurance, the IRS is saying that the cheapest plan under Obamacares' exchanges will cost $20,000 for a family of five by 2016 and increase out of pocket costs even AFTER the subsidies, the hundreds of billions in cuts to Medicare to fund the program will cause many doctors to stop taking Medicare patients, and if we don't make those cuts to providers, then the costs of Obamacare, which are already rising, to explode. 26 States are refusing to work with HHS, and Obamacare's implementation, already well behind track threatens to fall further and further behind even as it is announced that they will not, actually, technically, so-to-speak, be able to help the people the bill was purported to aid.




    So. As this disaster of a behemoth of a bill continues to flail and fail, who are the Democrats going to blame? How far down the rabbit hole are they willing to go, ears plugged, eyes closed?
    Right, so. Oct 1, which was the deadline, has since been delayed due to the ongoing trainwreck that is the Obamacare implementation. Since this poll was launched, the administration has proven itself too incompetent to meet more than half of its legally imposed deadlines, even the stalwart Democrat constituency of labor unions have declared it to be shattering the 40 hour work-week, and costs are continuing to rise . Even the IRS doesn't want it.


    Based off of my own highly unscientific observation of the forum, it looks like #2, "blame themselves for not pushing single-payer" is thus far the surprise favorite.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Right, so. Obamacare is now bending the cost-curve up, millions are going to lose their health insurance, the IRS is saying that the cheapest plan under Obamacares' exchanges will cost $20,000 for a family of five by 2016 and increase out of pocket costs even AFTER the subsidies, the hundreds of billions in cuts to Medicare to fund the program will cause many doctors to stop taking Medicare patients, and if we don't make those cuts to providers, then the costs of Obamacare, which are already rising, to explode. 26 States are refusing to work with HHS, and Obamacare's implementation, already well behind track threatens to fall further and further behind even as it is announced that they will not, actually, technically, so-to-speak, be able to help the people the bill was purported to aid.


    So. As this disaster of a behemoth of a bill continues to flail and fail, who are the Democrats going to blame? How far down the rabbit hole are they willing to go, ears plugged, eyes closed?
    A more interesting question at this point is who's going to get credit for:



    Interesting how the predictions of February match up with the realities of September.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?



    taking credit for stuff that happens before Obamacares' implementation.... Really?

    But hey. If you really want to run on "This thing is great and doing great things for you"..... er, be my guest? I would urge that with the same degree of conviction that Democrats would have urging Republicans to run on a "re-invade Iraq" platform.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post


    taking credit for stuff that happens before Obamacares' implementation.... Really?

    But hey. If you really want to run on "This thing is great and doing great things for you"..... er, be my guest? I would urge that with the same degree of conviction that Democrats would have urging Republicans to run on a "re-invade Iraq" platform.
    It's true that it's far from a complete picture. I agree with that and am reluctant to make too many predictions on something that is not fully implemented, let along adjusted for.

    That said, these things he lists is likely a reaction to what is coming, and as such should be seen as related, if not a direct effect of ACA. Truly, that case is stronger than the nay sayers. But both will have to wait.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Right, so. Obamacare is now bending the cost-curve up, millions are going to lose their health insurance, the IRS is saying that the cheapest plan under Obamacares' exchanges will cost $20,000 for a family of five by 2016 and increase out of pocket costs even AFTER the subsidies, the hundreds of billions in cuts to Medicare to fund the program will cause many doctors to stop taking Medicare patients, and if we don't make those cuts to providers, then the costs of Obamacare, which are already rising, to explode. 26 States are refusing to work with HHS, and Obamacare's implementation, already well behind track threatens to fall further and further behind even as it is announced that they will not, actually, technically, so-to-speak, be able to help the people the bill was purported to aid.




    So. As this disaster of a behemoth of a bill continues to flail and fail, who are the Democrats going to blame? How far down the rabbit hole are they willing to go, ears plugged, eyes closed?

    I'm glad this thread will be around from years to come. I didn't know Obamacare had already failed or that so many people can see the future! This will be interesting to see the actual results in the next years.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

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    taking credit for stuff that happens before Obamacares' implementation.... Really?
    This isn't before Obamacare's implementation. The delivery system reforms in Obamacare (particularly the Medicare reforms) have been rolling out for more than three years. Some of them are even in the evaluation phase at this point. For instance, every single Pioneer ACO under Obamacare improved the quality of care delivered, with nearly half achieving significant savings to Medicare while doing so: Obamacare pilot project lowers Medicare costs. Medicare's hospital readmissions reduction program is also already operating, and the drop in preventable readmissions coincides with its creation. And so on. Quality of care is improving across the health care system and, as it does, cost growth is dropping to lows never achieved before.

    Similarly, the lower-than-expected premiums for 2014 that are showing up in the new (i.e. Obamacare) marketplaces are obviously a product of the law, which is creating transparent, competitive insurance marketplaces in states where there haven't been any in quite some time.

    These are unprecedented times. As I said, the interesting question at this point is who's going to take credit. I don't think the answer should be particularly mysterious. The GOP has been very careful not to muddy the waters on this one: all things health care related are at Obama's feet. Something of a tactical mistake, one would think.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Greenbeard View Post
    The slowest health care spending growth and the lowest health care price inflation on record (i.e. the bending downward of the cost curve)
    from my understanding that is more a function of a down economy.

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    Re: A Sucker Born Every Minute…

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Conservatives can never explain why the modern/advanced Asian and Euro nations have national, affordable , socialized,health care, yet we do not !
    Have I forgotten Canada , again ?
    Very conservatives cannot explain anything..
    And, no vote again, of course....., with major revisions (copying the German plan from the Bismark era), NHC will suceed.
    First, Obamacare doesn't even resemble UHC, not even close. It's a bastardized version that won't even come close to functioning like UHC.

    Second, the German system allows people to opt out of UHC and take a tax rebate so they can go private and not have to pay for anybody else. The democrats will never allow something like that because their plans can only function based on coercion.
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    Re: A Sucker Born Every Minute…

    We get it! Republicans hate Obamacare. Fine. Let it be winner take all. If Obamacare is a disaster, you win. If it becomes an established pillar of the safety net with Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security, we win. And you don't get to claim you ever supported it.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Your poll is also prefaced by the assumption that Obamacare will fail.
    It is failing as we speak. It's designed to fail.

    He's been acting like a Queen... handing out waivers to the faithful like they're party favors.

    This is Obama's Benghazi to the medical community and nation. Another pure fark up by our Enfant Terrible in de White Ouse and Les Ensemble of Court Jesters in the Ouse and Senate that passed it using tricks.
    The Clintons are what happens...
    when you have NO MORAL COMPASS.

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