View Poll Results: Who to Blame for Obamacares' Failures?

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  • They wil blame Republicans, claiming Obamacare was their idea

    57 44.19%
  • They will blame themselves for not pushing single payer

    29 22.48%
  • They will blame providers and insurers for attempting to survive

    60 46.51%
  • IT WAS THAT VILLIAN, GEORGE BUSH!

    63 48.84%
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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Some of the concessions were to back away from allowing the government to compete with health insurance providers (that was Charles Grassley's work)
    This is where I stopped wondering if I needed to take this reply seriously. The Public Option was killed by Democrat Joe Lieberman.

    allow states to opt out of the program; commit $50 million to fund state initiatives designed to reduce medical malpractice costs; allow undercover investigations of health care providers receiving Medicare, Medicaid and other federal programs; and to boost Medicaid reimbursements to doctors in certain states.
    all this? is crap. These things indeed did exist in the bill - they were buy-offs to democrat senators to get them to vote for this hunk of junk. The Louisiana Purchase and the Cornhusker Kickback weren't to Republicans. They were to Democrats. Not a single Republican got concessions because not a single Republican voted for this disaster of a piece of legislation.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not quite true. It isn't about who hammered what out. It is amount the ideas themselves and where they originated.
    Really. So Democrats are willing to own up to the fact that they propose raising the minimum wage because they hate black people? I mean, if we're going to talk about where ideas originated.....

    In RealityLand, however, no. This piece of crap is 100% the Democrats fault. It was negotiated wholly and completely within the Democrat Caucus, and passed without a single Republican vote or even a serious attempt to get a single Republican vote.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    You do know that healthcare insurance costs are already increasing less then they have in 15 years?
    Isn't that usually credited to the economic issues we are having and expected to change with the economy?

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Isn't that usually credited to the economic issues we are having and expected to change with the economy?
    Also the more something costs the lower the percentage increase usually is. If something is going up $1000/year it and it stays that way for years why would anyone use a percentage increase as an example of how something is working to control costs?
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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    2014 won't be a Presidential year. 2010 will be the paradigm.
    Perhaps, but it always depends on who runs.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Really. So Democrats are willing to own up to the fact that they propose raising the minimum wage because they hate black people? I mean, if we're going to talk about where ideas originated.....

    In RealityLand, however, no. This piece of crap is 100% the Democrats fault. It was negotiated wholly and completely within the Democrat Caucus, and passed without a single Republican vote or even a serious attempt to get a single Republican vote.
    I realize you don't want your party to own their own ideas, but these ideas were in fact republican ideas. Sorry.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I realize you don't want your party to own their own ideas, but these ideas were in fact republican ideas. Sorry.
    So are you saying that if by some miracle the program succeeds it is because of the Republicans and they should get the credit?
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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Heebie Jeebie View Post
    So are you saying that if by some miracle the program succeeds it is because of the Republicans and they should get the credit?
    It would have been their ideas, yes. That doesn't change. Democrats will merely get credit or blame for implementing those ideas.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    If it's successful, Republicans will credit Mitt Romney; If it fails, Republicans will a) blame Obama and Democrats; b) conveniently erase from all memory what a mess the health care system is NOW; c) conveniently forget their argument that Romney's fab-yoo state plan is way different from a federal plan.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I realize you don't want your party to own their own ideas, but these ideas were in fact republican ideas. Sorry.
    sorry, but no. This P.O.S. is 100% owned by the Democrats. Not a single Republican voted for it. This one is all you guys.

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