View Poll Results: Who to Blame for Obamacares' Failures?

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  • They wil blame Republicans, claiming Obamacare was their idea

    57 44.19%
  • They will blame themselves for not pushing single payer

    29 22.48%
  • They will blame providers and insurers for attempting to survive

    60 46.51%
  • IT WAS THAT VILLIAN, GEORGE BUSH!

    63 48.84%
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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Boo Radley: "I suspect your overrate our quality. I think you want me to address the myth and not the reality. Our healthcare is quite good for the wealthy, but not as good for everyone else." ..........I don't believe it's a myth at all. I recently had surgery at a local hospital. No one asked me how much money I have. The care was excellent. I don't think I would've received any better care at a more renowned or upscale facility. I generally don't pay much attention to the fact checker groups because they all seem to have a particular agenda they wish to support. I prefer to do my own. Sorry for the departure from form here. I'm new here, and don't have all the features down pat yet. This is a nice site. I'm out for the night. Have a good evening.
    I thought this was pretty good as well:

    Health Costs: How the U.S. Compares With Other Countries | PBS NewsHour

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    They wouldn't have done the surgery outside the ER absent ability to pay. So there was a payer somewhere.

    Also, no single persons experience is enough. You have to look at overall numbers to get a overall picture.

    Anyway, welcome to the site.
    depends on the surgery I think. They are still subject to their standards of care and if they do not treat you they have to transfer you to somewhere that will take you or treat you if it is necessary. Worse than eating the cost of a surgery is a wrongful death verdict when you send someone home and they croak or if they suffer some irreparable harm and come after you. I have known several people who had surgeries/hospitalizations with no insurance.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    In 2014 Repubs will run against Obamacare and Dems will desperately run from it. Entertainment value will be off the charts.
    "It's always reassuring to find you've made the right enemies." -- William J. Donovan

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    depends on the surgery I think. They are still subject to their standards of care and if they do not treat you they have to transfer you to somewhere that will take you or treat you if it is necessary. Worse than eating the cost of a surgery is a wrongful death verdict when you send someone home and they croak or if they suffer some irreparable harm and come after you. I have known several people who had surgeries/hospitalizations with no insurance.
    Largely though the ER. Or of the type that is life threatening, which is really the same thing.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Largely though the ER. Or of the type that is life threatening, which is really the same thing.
    Yes. I have known a couple folks who did it through one day surgery. My hospital used to be pretty loose with that stuff though---they would just sue you and turn you over to a collection company that would call you 8 times a day until you set up a payment plan or declared bankruptcy.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    In 2014 Repubs will run against Obamacare and Dems will desperately run from it. Entertainment value will be off the charts.
    How'd that work in 2012? Might I suggest getting a better candidate than democrats have. I think that would be more effective.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Yes. I have known a couple folks who did it through one day surgery. My hospital used to be pretty loose with that stuff though---they would just sue you and turn you over to a collection company that would call you 8 times a day until you set up a payment plan or declared bankruptcy.
    Yep. A lot of help that.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    They wouldn't have done the surgery outside the ER absent ability to pay. So there was a payer somewhere.

    Also, no single persons experience is enough. You have to look at overall numbers to get a overall picture.

    Anyway, welcome to the site.
    Oh, I paid the bill myself. I realize my experience is anecdotal, but I know plenty of folks with similar experiences, and they include the self-insured, those with insurance, and those with nothing. None of them were treated in the ER. I understand that in more densely and highly populated areas the practice you describe does go on sometimes. That's one reason among many why I chose not to live in such areas. Anyway, it's time for me to retire. Good night.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    How'd that work in 2012? Might I suggest getting a better candidate than democrats have. I think that would be more effective.
    2014 won't be a Presidential year. 2010 will be the paradigm.
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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Should note - this poll is prefaced upon the assumption that at some point the ability to deny what is happening will break, and they will have to blame somebody.
    LOL Ass of you and me? And that's why I won't vote. You do know that healthcare insurance costs are already increasing less then they have in 15 years? Or that Obamacare has already lowered our deficit projections by $200 billion? Your wishcasting is not working and soon Obamacare will join SS and Medicare to complete another of FDR's promises from so long ago.

    The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health. Better late than never.

    We will all be better off, even the naysayers. That's how we roll. Your welcome.

    Group health benefits costs are projected to rise in the first half of 2013 at their slowest rate in more than a decade, according to a study by New York-based Buck Consultants L.L.C.

    Buck's survey of 123 insurers and benefits administrators, released on Monday, indicated that group health care plan cost increases through June 2013 will be between 0.2% and 0.6% lower than they were in the first half of this year.

    The study noted that 2012 was the first year since 2001 that group health benefit costs were projected to grow at a rate of less than 10%.
    http://www.businessinsurance.com/art...WS03/121219869


    In figures released last week, the Congressional Budget Office said it had erased hundreds of billions of dollars in projected spending on Medicare and Medicaid. The budget office now projects that spending on those two programs in 2020 will be about $200 billion, or 15 percent, less than it projected three years ago. New data also show overall health care spending growth continuing at the lowest rate in decades for a fourth consecutive year.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/12/us...osts.html?_r=0
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