View Poll Results: Who to Blame for Obamacares' Failures?

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  • They wil blame Republicans, claiming Obamacare was their idea

    57 44.19%
  • They will blame themselves for not pushing single payer

    29 22.48%
  • They will blame providers and insurers for attempting to survive

    60 46.51%
  • IT WAS THAT VILLIAN, GEORGE BUSH!

    63 48.84%
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Thread: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I'm talking about fighting the fire. I have insurance if my wife dies. I am answering the question. Trying working with the answer.
    Fighting a fire has nothing to do with your health. There is no reason I should expect anyone to take care of my health care needs...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Would you like the fact checkers as well? They speak to how little sense what he was saying made.
    Too often, "fact-checking" is merely advocacy under a false flag. Regardless of what Romney may eventually have proposed, his clear intent was to start by repealing Obamacare.
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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    There's a few points there:

    1. They will get I'll and injured.

    2. They will be treated, most likely in an ER.

    3. And one way or another we will pay for it. Likely in the most expensive way possible.
    I would rather pay more to deal with them in the ER than to see the grotesque bureaucracy of Obamacare.
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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I'm saying that's what we knew of Romney's plan. He was going to keep paying for reciting conditions, and o away with the method to ay for that. That is what he had on the table.
    Okay, but Romney didn't win the election--Obama did. So how is he going to handle it? I read the other day there is talk of a $60 per head fee, for every person in this country, being considered because the insurance companies now say they can't handle the cost of pre-existing conditions. The further this thing goes, the worse it gets!

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by AlabamaPaul View Post
    Fighting a fire has nothing to do with your health. There is no reason I should expect anyone to take care of my health care needs...
    It does. Both are a public concern that is too large for many individuals. And both can bleed into the backyards of others.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Close, prefaced upon how people who say what you want to hear are telling you it is failing, by giving you inaccurate and incomplete pictures, and you buying into those lies. For example you mentions millions losing insurance, but fail to note that those people will still have access to insurance, and the number of insured will go up. it's deceptive practices like that which are the norm for your sources. Reminds me of when you where portraying Ryan's economic plan as from Simpson Bowles, without mentioning that all of the balancing items from Simpson Bowles got omitted, kinda like a kid who decides to eat only their desert but claims he ate what we given to him. The fact you are using editorial sources even in this OP is a sign of how desperate you are to try and make a case that isn't made.

    I am not a fan of Obamacare/ACA or whatever it is being called by whatever group, but I will actually let it happen before declaring it failed. That would actually be, you know, honest. Building straw men to try and score political points just makes this whole thread painfully silly, not that it has ever slowed you down as this thread shows.

    actually a few of these issues, like a shortage of primary care physicians accepting medicare patients, and issues with the exchanges, have been ongoing issues in the Mass plan and have been talked about in depth by people like Trudy Lieberman, who is a staunch liberal

    Where Have All the Doctors Gone? : Columbia Journalism Review

    Reform may worsen ER crowding : Covering Health

    Is Buying Health Insurance Like Shopping on Amazon? : Columbia Journalism Review

    The brave new world of health insurance exchanges : Columbia Journalism Review

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I didn't pull those examples out of my ass:



    Obama embraces some GOP health care proposals - CNN



    Health Care Concessions Irking Liberals - CBS News

    So what does it ultimately matter whether Republicans ended up voting for the bill or not? Who knows why democrats made the concessions if they had the votes anyway? The concessions happened. Not voting for the bill doesn't magically rewrite the past.
    But it does make it intellectually dishonest to blame them for the language in the bill.
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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Okay, but Romney didn't win the election--Obama did. So how is he going to handle it? I read the other day there is talk of a $60 per head fee, for every person in this country, being considered because the insurance companies now say they can't handle the cost of pre-existing conditions. The further this thing goes, the worse it gets!
    The point was, both were going to keep it. However, talk is cheap. Not sure I have any reason to trust insurance companies who have been raising premiums and cutting service for sometime now. UHC would be more efficient. Make more sense. This bill isn't perfect. I say stop the fear mongering and have representatives go to work improving it.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I would rather pay more to deal with them in the ER than to see the grotesque bureaucracy of Obamacare.
    You may, there not so much. Which is one reason we debate and have elections.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Too often, "fact-checking" is merely advocacy under a false flag. Regardless of what Romney may eventually have proposed, his clear intent was to start by repealing Obamacare.
    Kind of a way to ignore facts, isn't it?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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