View Poll Results: Who to Blame for Obamacares' Failures?

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  • They wil blame Republicans, claiming Obamacare was their idea

    57 44.19%
  • They will blame themselves for not pushing single payer

    29 22.48%
  • They will blame providers and insurers for attempting to survive

    60 46.51%
  • IT WAS THAT VILLIAN, GEORGE BUSH!

    63 48.84%
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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    There is no reason at all to think it's different. Health care is no more critical than food, clothing or shelter, and yet we expect people (rightly) to provide those for themselves.
    Not as easy to get either. And, government does help people to eat and have shelter. Both easier than doing self surgery.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    But this should be seen as a personal, individual need, not as a commodity to be distributed like other marketplace commodities. That is a fundamental mistake in the way this country, and only this country, looks at health care . . .

    PBS- Healthcare Crisis: Marcia Angell, MD



    Health is not a commodity: Let us get the language right

    Health is not a commodity: Let us get the language right | Physicians for a National Health Program

    The fundamental flaw in conservatives’ health care approach is their elasticity estimation, the point at which demand diminishes if the price is too high. With health care, people keep demanding no matter what the price, especially in cases of life or death, creating an inelastic demand. This offers no incentive for providers to stabilize pricing. (Medicaid and Medicare’s pricing caps and those uninsured only work to put more pressure on private insurance.)

    http://www.mn2020hindsight.org/view/...ot-a-commodity

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It's actually logic. Let me ask, if your daughter was just hit by a car, how much negotiating are you willing to do?
    You are ducking the question, so I'll have to draw that unflattering conclusion.

    Our daughter is now an adult and has excellent health insurance coverage, as she did when she was our responsibility. Health care is a commodity.
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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not as easy to get either. And, government does help people to eat and have shelter. Both easier than doing self surgery.
    I have no objection to charitable endeavors to assist those who have not provided for themselves.
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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    You are ducking the question, so I'll have to draw that unflattering conclusion.

    Our daughter is now an adult and has excellent health insurance coverage, as she did when she was our responsibility. Health care is a commodity.
    Not ducking anything. You have links above you. I asked a question that speaks to the issue. You should show some patience and maybe try figuring out why the question was asked. Honesty isn't about you getting the answer you want, but in trying to follow the reasoning.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    But this should be seen as a personal, individual need, not as a commodity to be distributed like other marketplace commodities. That is a fundamental mistake in the way this country, and only this country, looks at health care . . .

    PBS- Healthcare Crisis: Marcia Angell, MD



    Health is not a commodity: Let us get the language right

    Health is not a commodity: Let us get the language right | Physicians for a National Health Program

    The fundamental flaw in conservatives’ health care approach is their elasticity estimation, the point at which demand diminishes if the price is too high. With health care, people keep demanding no matter what the price, especially in cases of life or death, creating an inelastic demand. This offers no incentive for providers to stabilize pricing. (Medicaid and Medicare’s pricing caps and those uninsured only work to put more pressure on private insurance.)

    Good Health is Not a Commodity - MN2020 Hindsight
    Propaganda in large quantities remains propaganda.
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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not ducking anything. You have links above you. I asked a question that speaks to the issue. You should show some patience and maybe try figuring out why the question was asked. Honesty isn't about you getting the answer you want, but in trying to follow the reasoning.
    You have provided no link to support your assertion that Romney would have retained Obamacare.
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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I have no objection to charitable endeavors to assist those who have not provided for themselves.
    There's a reason churches went to the government during the Great Depression. Frankly. Fewer people suffer and we're actually much better today. Think of medicine more like the fire department and other public services where we can handle large problems for the betterment of all.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    You have provided no link to support your assertion that Romney would have retained Obamacare.
    My bad, I thought you were asking for the other, which your comment implies. However:


    Romney Wants to Keep Key Parts of Obamacare

    Romney Wants to Keep Key Parts of Obamacare - Politics - The Atlantic Wire

    Mitt Romney: I like parts of Obamacare, would keep them in place

    Read more: Mitt Romney: I like parts of Obamacare, would keep them in place; Paul Ryan won't reveal tax loopholes to be sealed - NY Daily News

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Propaganda in large quantities remains propaganda.
    I know. Differences of opinion you don't agree with are propaganda. But one is a group of physicians. Go figure.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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