View Poll Results: Who to Blame for Obamacares' Failures?

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  • They wil blame Republicans, claiming Obamacare was their idea

    57 44.19%
  • They will blame themselves for not pushing single payer

    29 22.48%
  • They will blame providers and insurers for attempting to survive

    60 46.51%
  • IT WAS THAT VILLIAN, GEORGE BUSH!

    63 48.84%
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Thread: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post



    I don't. If you will notice from the link, it's the CBO that says that. Just as it's the IRS that says that thanks to this boondoggle a family is going to face a minimum of a $20,000 expense for health insurance - that's for the bronze plan.
    Not exactly. Your WT article is the most reliable you posted, and it doesn't quite say that. Perhaps you could link the report itself?

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    What oath?
    Hippocratic oath.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Not quite true. It isn't about who hammered what out. It is amount the ideas themselves and where they originated. There's a reason Romney was going to keep it.
    Keep Obamacare? I don't think so.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Hippocratic oath.
    Ah. Well, carpenters don't swear an oath to seek profit either. Nor do lawyers and engineers. Yet they all expect to make a living. Regardless, the point about health-care-as-a-commodity is not whether health care professionals should be paid, but whether health care consumers should pay for the commodity. Those who produce our food, clothing and shelter are paid for their services. Why not our health care professionals?
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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Yep, he was. It was after all mostly what he supported and implemented previously. He said he'd keep everything but the way to pay for it.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Ah. Well, carpenters don't swear an oath to seek profit either. Nor do lawyers and engineers. Yet they all expect to make a living. Regardless, the point about health-care-as-a-commodity is not whether health care professionals should be paid, but whether health care consumers should pay for the commodity. Those who produce our food, clothing and shelter are paid for their services. Why not our health care professionals?
    You're missing the point, this is very different than a carpenter. This is dealing largely in a persons worse moments, there illness and injury. Not the market place type of situation. Sorry, not a widget.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Yep, he was. It was after all mostly what he supported and implemented previously. He said he'd keep everything but the way to pay for it.
    That is such a silly assertion that I'll have to ask for a citation or link, or draw an unflattering conclusion.
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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    If Obama let's the sequester go through it'll be blamed for many many of Obama's failures.
    That's why I like the idea of Congress granting Obama the limited power to move funding around from bucket to bucket.
    Kinda gets it back to the guy who had the idea to begin with.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    You're missing the point, this is very different than a carpenter. This is dealing largely in a persons worse moments, there illness and injury. Not the market place type of situation. Sorry, not a widget.
    There is no reason at all to think it's different. Health care is no more critical than food, clothing or shelter, and yet we expect people (rightly) to provide those for themselves.
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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    That is such a silly assertion that I'll have to ask for a citation or link, or draw an unflattering conclusion.
    It's actually logic. Let me ask, if your daughter was just hit by a car, how much negotiating are you willing to do?

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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