View Poll Results: Who to Blame for Obamacares' Failures?

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  • They wil blame Republicans, claiming Obamacare was their idea

    57 44.19%
  • They will blame themselves for not pushing single payer

    29 22.48%
  • They will blame providers and insurers for attempting to survive

    60 46.51%
  • IT WAS THAT VILLIAN, GEORGE BUSH!

    63 48.84%
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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Sure, because there's nothing dysfunctional whatsoever about nearly all the red states opting out of the new health mandate.
    The option was included in the law. The more devastating flaws are likely to be that healthy young people will prefer to pay the fine rather than buy the insurance, and employers will let people go rather than pay the insurance cost.
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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The option was included in the law. The more devastating flaws are likely to be that healthy young people will prefer to pay the fine rather than buy the insurance, and employers will let people go rather than pay the insurance cost.
    Which is why we need UHC right away.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Which is why we need UHC right away.
    Why? Health care is a commodity, just like food, clothing and shelter. We don't have universal federally provided food, clothing and shelter. Why should health care be different?
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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Why? Health care is a commodity, just like food, clothing and shelter. We don't have universal federally provided food, clothing and shelter. Why should health care be different?
    And we're going to have to disagree on that.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    And we're going to have to disagree on that.
    You believe that health care, uniquely among commodities, should be provided gratis?
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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    You believe that health care, uniquely among commodities, should be provided gratis?
    I think it should be provided equally as we enjoy with military protection.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

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    I think it should be provided equally as we enjoy with military protection.
    Would you then support the policy and force structure limits on health care that characterize military capability?
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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Health care is a commodity, like food, clothing and shelter. People can obtain it through purchase or charity, just like food, clothing and shelter. Anything else is theft.
    No. I don't believe that. The oath they take doesn't mention money or profit at all.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    No, this is a democrat plan. They wrote it, they hammered it out amongst themselves. No Republican voted for this idiocy. But I guess we can mark you down for Option #1.



    our problems rising costs, people unable to afford insurance have accelerated. Obama went around the country claiming that he was going to reduce family's premiums by $2,500, remember? Instead they went up, and they went up relative to the baseline.



    I don't. If you will notice from the link, it's the CBO that says that. Just as it's the IRS that says that thanks to this boondoggle a family is going to face a minimum of a $20,000 expense for health insurance - that's for the bronze plan.
    Not quite true. It isn't about who hammered what out. It is amount the ideas themselves and where they originated. There's a reason Romney was going to keep it.

    And you have to prove acceleration and that this reform is the cause. As there is no rational reason for any of those happening due to reform. Mostly this is more wolf crying. But, you do have to do more than just saying what is happening is due to reform.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No. I don't believe that. The oath they take doesn't mention money or profit at all.
    What oath?
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