View Poll Results: Who to Blame for Obamacares' Failures?

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  • They wil blame Republicans, claiming Obamacare was their idea

    57 44.19%
  • They will blame themselves for not pushing single payer

    29 22.48%
  • They will blame providers and insurers for attempting to survive

    60 46.51%
  • IT WAS THAT VILLIAN, GEORGE BUSH!

    63 48.84%
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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    CP has a point, though. How can you call those concessions to Republicans when the bill went through w/o a single Republican vote for it?
    Just because the Republicans didn't vote for it doesn't make those concessions any less real. Giving in to Republicans on certain complaints only for them to snub the whole bill anyway is actually a well known and resented point.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Just because the Republicans didn't vote for it doesn't make those concessions any less real. Giving in to Republicans on certain complaints only for them to snub the whole bill anyway is actually a well known and resented point.
    I really don't see the logic in calling them Republican concessions. If the bill didn't need republican votes and didn't receive any, why pass the bill with the concessions...unless you needed them to sway independents and blue dog dems?
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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Missing from discussion are the dissenting Democrats who had to satisfy their conservative constituencies....
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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    CP has a point, though. How can you call those concessions to Republicans when the bill went through w/o a single Republican vote for it?
    You think a leftist is going to blame Democrats?

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    You think a leftist is going to blame Democrats?
    I did blame democrats.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I really don't see the logic in calling them Republican concessions. If the bill didn't need republican votes and didn't receive any, why pass the bill with the concessions...unless you needed them to sway independents and blue dog dems?
    I didn't pull those examples out of my ass:

    • Commit $50 million to fund state initiatives designed to reduce medical malpractice costs

    • Allow undercover investigations of health care providers receiving Medicare, Medicaid and other federal programs

    • Boost Medicaid reimbursements to doctors in certain states
    Obama embraces some GOP health care proposals - CNN

    Sen. Charles Grassley, a key Republican negotiator on health care, was on a winning streak as Congress recessed for August, having wrung important concessions from Democrats, including an agreement to back away from a government plan to compete with private insurers.
    Health Care Concessions Irking Liberals - CBS News

    So what does it ultimately matter whether Republicans ended up voting for the bill or not? Who knows why democrats made the concessions if they had the votes anyway? The concessions happened. Not voting for the bill doesn't magically rewrite the past.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I did blame democrats.
    Yeah, I saw that token finger-wag you did. I give Democrats 3% of the blame for their handling of the 97% of the blame that Republicans deserve.

    Terrific objectivity. I'm sure if you get a splinter, you give 3% blame to the guy who planted the tree 50 years ago.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Yeah, I saw that token finger-wag you did. I give Democrats 3% of the blame for their handling of the 97% of the blame that Republicans deserve.

    Terrific objectivity. I'm sure if you get a splinter, you give 3% blame to the guy who planted the tree 50 years ago.
    No, this is precisely what makes Democrats suck a big wet one: they take a bad idea, or even a passably good one, and by the time they put it through their problem-solving machine they have something considerably worse. There is nothing new about this -- I have had to watch this tortuous process re-enact itself my whole life. So, the democrats being the winners that they are, took universal healthcare and they passed it through healthcare companies, Republicans and, as Fiddytree noted their own more conservative members, you have...ta-da! Obamacare. Everybody gets to butt-patt each other on this.

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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I didn't pull those examples out of my ass:



    Obama embraces some GOP health care proposals - CNN



    Health Care Concessions Irking Liberals - CBS News

    So what does it ultimately matter whether Republicans ended up voting for the bill or not? Who knows why democrats made the concessions if they had the votes anyway? The concessions happened. Not voting for the bill doesn't magically rewrite the past.
    The awfulness of Obamacare has nothing to do with whatever minor Repub modifications may have been included.
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    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The awfulness of Obamacare has nothing to do with whatever minor Repub modifications may have been included.
    Sure, because there's nothing dysfunctional whatsoever about nearly all the red states opting out of the new health mandate.

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