View Poll Results: Who to Blame for Obamacares' Failures?

Voters
129. You may not vote on this poll
  • They wil blame Republicans, claiming Obamacare was their idea

    57 44.19%
  • They will blame themselves for not pushing single payer

    29 22.48%
  • They will blame providers and insurers for attempting to survive

    60 46.51%
  • IT WAS THAT VILLIAN, GEORGE BUSH!

    63 48.84%
Multiple Choice Poll.
Page 10 of 42 FirstFirst ... 8910111220 ... LastLast
Results 91 to 100 of 415

Thread: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

  1. #91
    Discount Philosopher
    specklebang's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2012
    Location
    Las Vegas
    Last Seen
    06-05-14 @ 08:26 PM
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    11,524

    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    My personal philosophy is to NEVER make promises I can't keep. I've done myself some serious harm by being a "man of my word". But it is important to me that during my short stay on your planet, that I be a noble being.

    I'm not a politician. My promises are based on the resources I control. Politicians are a whole different class of creature, they lie, steal and cheat to popular acclaim. In my 50 years as an adult (I'm 69) I can't remember one President who wasn't accused of misrepresenting and misinforming the public. Not one. Really.

    Trillions in debt and bread lines are all very dramatic. I have no purpose to spin anything, as per my disclaimer, I am posting my opinions, nothing more. I'm nobodies puppet (except for the Cats). Your opinions are no more and no less valuable than my own.

    Deciding failure in advance is not really valid or useful. The law has been passed, the SCOTUS has upheld it. It is what it is and all the bitching in the world won't affect reality by an iota. By the time the next election occurs, we'll see for real how this worked itself out. Would I have done this differently? Probably, I'm big on simplicity and this plan is stunningly complex. Will it work well enough? I certainly hope so. Why would I wish for failure? This is my country and I want nothing but the best for it.




    Quote Originally Posted by Dpetty View Post
    Your confusing satisfaction with success... As the President, or any politician for that matter, you shouldnt make promises you cant keep. Obviously with opposition in the government, not everything will pan out, but COST is a pretty big thing to be wrong about. And that cant be blamed on the opposition, it can be blamed on it being a bad idea. This bill isnt designes to satisfy people, its designed to do something it just cant do, and that is was makes it a failure.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Trillions in debt and health care similar to bread lines in the Soviet Union. I'd like to know how that's subjective, unless you're just putting the MSNBC spin on this.
    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Agree.

  2. #92
    Angry Former GOP Voter
    Fiddytree's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Last Seen
    Today @ 02:48 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    25,693

    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    States trying to get exemptions would probably be a good bet. If they do not accept what in many ways is regarded as the backbone of the Act, then it could conceivably fall. It would be a good way to frame it, but if that becomes the case, I would question the approach taken to reform if reform becomes unable to succeed via implementation.

    That being said, I'm expecting much good to come of the reform at the same time that I expect the other baffling portions to remain in contention for years, decades later.
    Michael J Petrilli-"Is School Choice Enough?"-A response to the recent timidity of American conservatives toward education reform. https://nationalaffairs.com/publicat...-choice-enough

  3. #93
    Sage
    Boo Radley's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Last Seen
    11-22-17 @ 04:22 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Liberal
    Posts
    36,858

    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    The Bill will not be the savior of either health care or many of those who need care. But, it is a start. I would like to see more work done, and more people coming to the table who actually want to help and not just destroy the effort.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

  4. #94
    Guru
    Cyrylek's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Boston
    Last Seen
    02-05-17 @ 01:49 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Libertarian - Right
    Posts
    3,467

    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I'd have loved it if we had gotten universal health care in one fell swoop, but demanding that or nothing would have been committing the perfection fallacy.
    Well, if your final goal is to get the "universal health care" in the sense "all medical goods and services controlled and adminstered by government bureaucracies" - maybe this "reform" could be viewed as the first timid step, although I don't see a clear path forward.

    I certainly see how it be could viewed as a "reasonable conpromise" by insurance companies that just got Uncle Sam forcing more people to buy their product.

    If, however, your goal is to make actual health care more accessible and more affordable for as many people as possible, I honestly do not see how this thing can be viewed with anything but revulsion.

    We must try to do what we can to remove the parasitic intermediaries between the doctor and the patient, to empower the patient economically, no? The Obamacare cements the domination of government and insurance companies (in whatever mutual proportion) over the health market - serving as a guarantee that real costs will rise, actual access will dinimish, and the parasitic intermediaries will keep swelling.

  5. #95
    Traveler

    Jack Hays's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Williamsburg, Virginia
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 04:55 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    54,867
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    The Bill will not be the savior of either health care or many of those who need care. But, it is a start. I would like to see more work done, and more people coming to the table who actually want to help and not just destroy the effort.
    Health care is a commodity, like food, clothing and shelter. People can obtain it through purchase or charity, just like food, clothing and shelter. Anything else is theft.
    "It's always reassuring to find you've made the right enemies." -- William J. Donovan

  6. #96
    Sage
    cpwill's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    USofA
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 08:57 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    57,115

    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I'm not sure how you think this contradicts anything I said. As I said, any concessions to insurance companies would by definition take us away from uhc. Any elements that remained were further diminished by concessions to Republicans.
    There were no concessions to Republicans - the measure passed without a single Republican vote. This is 100% the result of compromise within the Democrat caucus. It wasn't Republicans that killed the Public Option, it was moderate democrats.

  7. #97
    Sage
    cpwill's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    USofA
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 08:57 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    57,115

    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Well, this is a republican plan and not UHC.
    No, this is a democrat plan. They wrote it, they hammered it out amongst themselves. No Republican voted for this idiocy. But I guess we can mark you down for Option #1.

    But, exactly what is different here than before care?
    our problems rising costs, people unable to afford insurance have accelerated. Obama went around the country claiming that he was going to reduce family's premiums by $2,500, remember? Instead they went up, and they went up relative to the baseline.

    Cost where going up then. People were losing their insurance then. So, how can you support healthcare reform is the cause?
    I don't. If you will notice from the link, it's the CBO that says that. Just as it's the IRS that says that thanks to this boondoggle a family is going to face a minimum of a $20,000 expense for health insurance - that's for the bronze plan.

  8. #98
    Sage
    cpwill's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    USofA
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 08:57 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    57,115

    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cyrylek View Post
    Well, if your final goal is to get the "universal health care" in the sense "all medical goods and services controlled and adminstered by government bureaucracies" - maybe this "reform" could be viewed as the first timid step, although I don't see a clear path forward.
    then, with all due respect, you're not cynical enough.

    If, however, your goal is to make actual health care more accessible and more affordable for as many people as possible, I honestly do not see how this thing can be viewed with anything but revulsion.
    who said that was the goal? The goal is UHC. And if you are going to get UHC, then what you need is for Americans to reject their health insurance industry. In a body politic where the vast majority of Americans were satisfied with their health insurance, that wasn't going to happen. So, instead, what you need is to figure out a way to ensure that:

    real costs will rise, actual access will dinimish, and the parasitic intermediaries will keep swelling.
    hmmmm......... :

  9. #99
    Almost respectable

    Cardinal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    Last Seen
    @
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    35,036

    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    There were no concessions to Republicans - the measure passed without a single Republican vote. This is 100% the result of compromise within the Democrat caucus. It wasn't Republicans that killed the Public Option, it was moderate democrats.
    Some of the concessions were to back away from allowing the government to compete with health insurance providers (that was Charles Grassley's work); allow states to opt out of the program; commit $50 million to fund state initiatives designed to reduce medical malpractice costs; allow undercover investigations of health care providers receiving Medicare, Medicaid and other federal programs; and to boost Medicaid reimbursements to doctors in certain states.

  10. #100
    Bring us a shrubbery!
    tessaesque's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2011
    Location
    Plano, Texas
    Last Seen
    11-09-17 @ 06:18 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Other
    Posts
    15,910

    Re: Who will Democrats blame for the failure of Obamacare?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Some of the concessions were to back away from allowing the government to compete with health insurance providers (that was Charles Grassley's work); allow states to opt out of the program; commit $50 million to fund state initiatives designed to reduce medical malpractice costs; allow undercover investigations of health care providers receiving Medicare, Medicaid and other federal programs; and to boost Medicaid reimbursements to doctors in certain states.
    CP has a point, though. How can you call those concessions to Republicans when the bill went through w/o a single Republican vote for it?
    "Hmmm...Can't decide if I want to watch "Four Houses" or give myself an Icy Hot pee hole enema..." - Blake Shelton


Page 10 of 42 FirstFirst ... 8910111220 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •