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    Re: Is the Obama administration the "most transparent administration in history"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Here is his original quote from 2008:
    Lol, so YOU had the wrong quote?

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    Re: Is the Obama administration the "most transparent administration in history"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Powell's side was that he had wanted to give the U.N. a shot instead of dismissing it so readily, as many in the DOD were wanting to do (because they-the U.N. "wouldn't get it"). Basically he wanted to do what he considered the right thing, given the circumstances. He knew the administration was more willing to move forward, but he at least wanted to give the U.N. a shot at not only hearing the case, but possibly aiding it in whatever way possible. To him, that was better than just saying, "to hell with the world body." With Wolfowitz's remarks, his statement on that was actually that there was a laundry list of reasons why folks within the administration thought it justifiable to remove Saddam, but the people arguing about those points could only unify around the assumption that Saddam had WMDs. That was the one assumption the overwhelming majority agreed on. The democracy portion, perhaps any economic benefits after invasion, so on and so forth, those individual points would have less support across the board, as each camp was in favor of one thing, but not another.

    You missed my point. I wasn't accusing Powell of being misleading. I'm saying that since even a supporter of the invasion such as Powell thought the evidence was BS, this is more evidence that the bush* admin intended to mislead.

    And Wolfowitz also said that the evidence of Iraq having WMDs was not strong. He did not believe in all the reasons that were given and merely pushed on the strongest reason. His support for an invasion was completely different than the one he and the admin made; IOW, when he (and others) said we should invade because Iraq had WMD's they were misleading the public into war because they did not believe that

    What they really believed was that we should invade Iraq because it would scare other nations into behaving, and because Iraq was acting contrary to our interests. Wolfowitz, Cheney, and several other highly placed bush* officials said this explicitely in a document they signed not long before bush* was elected.

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    Re: Is the Obama administration the "most transparent administration in history"?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    You missed my point. I wasn't accusing Powell of being misleading. I'm saying that since even a supporter of the invasion such as Powell thought the evidence was BS, this is more evidence that the bush* admin intended to mislead.

    And Wolfowitz also said that the evidence of Iraq having WMDs was not strong. He did not believe in all the reasons that were given and merely pushed on the strongest reason. His support for an invasion was completely different than the one he and the admin made; IOW, when he (and others) said we should invade because Iraq had WMD's they were misleading the public into war because they did not believe that

    What they really believed was that we should invade Iraq because it would scare other nations into behaving, and because Iraq was acting contrary to our interests. Wolfowitz, Cheney, and several other highly placed bush* officials said this explicitely in a document they signed not long before bush* was elected.

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    Wolfowitz: No, I think it happens to be correct. The truth is that for reasons that have a lot to do with the U.S. government bureaucracy we settled on the one issue that everyone could agree on which was weapons of mass destruction as the core reason, but -- hold on one second --

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    there have always been three fundamental concerns. One is weapons of mass destruction, the second is support for terrorism, the third is the criminal treatment of the Iraqi people. Actually I guess you could say there's a fourth overriding one which is the connection between the first two. Sorry, hold on again.

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    The third one by itself, as I think I said earlier, is a reason to help the Iraqis but it's not a reason to put American kids' lives at risk, certainly not on the scale we did it. That second issue about links to terrorism is the one about which there's the most disagreement within the bureaucracy, even though I think everyone agrees that we killed 100 or so of an al Qaeda group in northern Iraq in this recent go-around, that we've arrested that al Qaeda guy in Baghdad who was connected to this guy Zarqawi whom Powell spoke about in his UN presentation.
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    Re: Is the Obama administration the "most transparent administration in history"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    It's not black and white, yes transparency can be good, but some negotiations need to be done behind the curtain. For example, it is very likely we wouldn't be posting this right now, because nuclear war might have happened if the Cuban Missile Crisis couldn't be adverted with behind the scenes negotiations.
    WHAT !!!!!!

    Is that the standard ? Has Obama had a "Cuban Missile Crisis" moment ?

    Good God .... can't make this **** up !

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    Re: Is the Obama administration the "most transparent administration in history"?

    Depends how we define transparency.

    Obama is no more transparent in how the business of the White House is run then any other president (which basically means he broke his promise).

    However, under the current administration data release to the public about basic services and operations of the government is staggeringly high. Businesses are now using release of health statistics, traffic, energy etc to guide their models.

    But that is more ERP then anything Obama did.
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    Re: Is the Obama administration the "most transparent administration in history"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Why are conservatives and Beckites so afraid to include actual quotes with a nice link for context? I mean really, transparent in what area? The original claim from 2008 about planning to be the most transparent was in a specific area, so I suspect any claim he made since then would also be specific. Probably why you did not want any one to actually know what he really said. So really, until you actually provide basic information, your poll question is unanswerable.
    And why are liberals and douchebags so unable to admit that Obama is so corrupt ?

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    Re: Is the Obama administration the "most transparent administration in history"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    It's in the first chapter of his first book, Against All Enemies. I don't know where else it is written. But he cites direct quotes from the president. Clarke was adamant at the time that Bin Laden and Al Qaeda were responsible, while Bush directed him to find a way to blame Saddam. If it is not available online, I'm sure there are libraries that contain the book.
    Then I'm sure you won't have trouble providing a link or page citation.
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    Re: Is the Obama administration the "most transparent administration in history"?

    It's comforting that 97% of DP doesn't buy this BS from Obama.


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    Re: Is the Obama administration the "most transparent administration in history"?

    It probably is the most transparent in history. The information age means the general public is able to get more information about what is going on than before, and the Obama administration has improved that information flow. (i mean, in 1863 what were your odds of finding out about a proposed law before it was signed?) We're not in a cold war anymore so there's a lot less of that shady CIA/FBI spy stuff going on in secret.

    Come on, how much of Reagan's shady **** do you think you were told about anyway?

    That doesn't mean this administration is particularly transparent, though. Just ever so slightly less shady than the others.
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