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    Re: Is the Obama administration the "most transparent administration in history"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I don't see how on that one, actually. Watergate and the Pentagon Papers were pretty serious swings. Not to say that this President is the most transparent, but he's certainly not the worst for transparency. I'd say he's fairly....well, typical for our day and age.
    You have a point, but I suggest that this administration has carried backroom corruption to a level we have never before seen in Washington. In prior administrations back to Adams, and as late as Nixon and Bush43, it was seen as an aberration to be condemned; now it's seen simply as "business as usual" (Chicago style).
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    Re: Is the Obama administration the "most transparent administration in history"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    It's not black and white, yes transparency can be good, but some negotiations need to be done behind the curtain. For example, it is very likely we wouldn't be posting this right now, because nuclear war might have happened if the Cuban Missile Crisis couldn't be adverted with behind the scenes negotiations.
    The exempt for classified material has already been stated. And let me say, I'm personally quite surprised to see you arguing for closed door politics. What's up with that?

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    Re: Is the Obama administration the "most transparent administration in history"?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    The exempt for classified material has already been stated. And let me say, I'm personally quite surprised to see you arguing for closed door politics. What's up with that?
    I'm not, I'm just noting that having everything open can be bad for things, especially with our crappy media, and our idiotic population.
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    Re: Is the Obama administration the "most transparent administration in history"?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    I most certainly did. I bought it hook, line and sinker. And I stuck around to inspect what I expected. That's why I quickly turned from Obama voter and supporter to Obama hater. It's not as bad when someone lies to your face when you know it's a lie. But when you believe them and find out later, that's where I was.

    And no, it's not self-defeating to hold public business in front of the public.
    You believed a promise, made by a professional politician, "hook, line, and sinker"?

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    Re: Is the Obama administration the "most transparent administration in history"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    You have a point, but I suggest that this administration has carried backroom corruption to a level we have never before seen in Washington.
    And we know that because there has been no major corruption scandal involving this adminstration, so it's clear that they are covering things up to a much greater extent than any other in history.
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    Re: Is the Obama administration the "most transparent administration in history"?

    Not the most, but so-so.
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    Re: Is the Obama administration the "most transparent administration in history"?

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    And we know that because there has been no major corruption scandal involving this adminstration, so it's clear that they are covering things up to a much greater extent than any other in history.
    It's so bad it makes 1824 look like a visit to the mall Santa.
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    Re: Is the Obama administration the "most transparent administration in history"?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    That's just an excuse to rule over an ignorant population. An extension of the old "we know what's best for you" routine. EVERY single political meeting that's not classified should be broadcast in full on one of the C-SPAN channels.

    Speaking of "good things that never happenned", was it a good thing that Obama bargained away the public option in closed door meeting with insurance execs? Was it a good thing that Pelosi, et al continued to discuss the public option as it could happen even after she knew it was already bargained away? Is it a good thing that few if any knew what was in the bill they were voting on?

    Hell, they weren't even transparent to each other in this process.

    True CB... plus pelosi herself stated they would have to pass the Bill, to find out what was in it_ Don't remember her exact words'''

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    Re: Is the Obama administration the "most transparent administration in history"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    In order to make that call, one would need a clear understanding of how transparent Zachary Taylor's administration was. I, for one, have no idea. More transparent than Bush? Certainly, but that's not difficult. More transparent than Jimmy Carter? Than Rutherford B. Hayes? Than Calvin Coolidge? Who knows. It's a meaningless boast.
    Why would you say he was more transparent than Bush? Honestly, I'm not seeing much substantial difference between the two here. At most, you can fault Obama for pushing the transparency angle in 04, but most people figured that was bull****, anyway

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    Re: Is the Obama administration the "most transparent administration in history"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Why would you say he was more transparent than Bush? Honestly, I'm not seeing much substantial difference between the two here. At most, you can fault Obama for pushing the transparency angle in 04, but most people figured that was bull****, anyway
    What exactly is it that you feel this administration has been concealing? And how could any of it rank alongside intentionally misleading the country into a war?
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