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    Re: Is the Obama administration the "most transparent administration in history"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    It certainly is. Public opinion has a strange effect on a negotiation process that is often unwieldy if you let it dominate. Your leaders need to be able to jostle for position, present alternatives and conduct an agreement without outside interference.
    The public is not "outside interference", but the whole reason for the negotiations in the first place. They should not be cut out of the process, but rather should have a clear view of all the goings on. What made his promise to this so powerful is that it's a further move towards the death of "private smoke filled rooms" deal-making politics.

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    Re: Is the Obama administration the "most transparent administration in history"?

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    The public is not "outside interference", but the whole reason for the negotiations in the first place. They should not be cut out of the process, but rather should have a clear view of all the goings on. What made his promise to this so powerful is that it's a further move towards the death of "private smoke filled rooms" deal-making politics.
    Yeah, it can be. I'd rather have politicians be able to negotiate without having the fear of political blow back by knee jerk reactions from the media, and the public. Look how many good things haven't happened because of such blow back.
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    Re: Is the Obama administration the "most transparent administration in history"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    President Obama said recently his administration is the most transparent administration in [American] history. Do you agree or disagree?
    He's transparent as in he's just like every other suit in DC. Say one thing and do another, make big promises and fail to deliver. All while taking credit for other peoples work on the good things, and blaming someone else for the bad.
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    Re: Is the Obama administration the "most transparent administration in history"?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Do you think Obama and the other presidents haven't had the same kind of system?
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    Re: Is the Obama administration the "most transparent administration in history"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    In order to make that call, one would need a clear understanding of how transparent Zachary Taylor's administration was. I, for one, have no idea. More transparent than Bush? Certainly, but that's not difficult. More transparent than Jimmy Carter? Than Rutherford B. Hayes? Than Calvin Coolidge? Who knows. It's a meaningless boast.
    A transparent government only exists when there is a press willing to release details from the commanding administration. More transparent than Bush? No. The media was all over that one. The only information we get regarding Obama from the media is which Late-Night TV show he will be attending.
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    Re: Is the Obama administration the "most transparent administration in history"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Yeah, it can be. I'd rather have politicians be able to negotiate without having the fear of political blow back by knee jerk reactions from the media, and the public. Look how many good things haven't happened because of such blow back.
    That's just an excuse to rule over an ignorant population. An extension of the old "we know what's best for you" routine. EVERY single political meeting that's not classified should be broadcast in full on one of the C-SPAN channels.

    Speaking of "good things that never happenned", was it a good thing that Obama bargained away the public option in closed door meeting with insurance execs? Was it a good thing that Pelosi, et al continued to discuss the public option as it could happen even after she knew it was already bargained away? Is it a good thing that few if any knew what was in the bill they were voting on?

    Hell, they weren't even transparent to each other in this process.

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    Re: Is the Obama administration the "most transparent administration in history"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    You didn't actually want to hold him to that, did you? It was something to get the angry Democrats on board. It's self-defeating, for any party, to conduct the entire process in front of the public.
    I don't know that anyone is arguing that all things need to be always in the open, such as posted on-line seven days prior (a promise broken btw).

    But when we have the AG found in contempt of Congress for not providing requested documents, and then a President who claims Executive Privilege where it cleary does not apply, that is opaqueness where transparency should exist. Add to it no actual budget passed by the Dems in the Senate for four years, which also obstructs information from the public, and "pass this bill so we can see what's in it", then I believe we have precedence of non-transparency well in excess of anything in our lifetimes.

    That the Press fails to do its Constitutionally enabled investigations to a level we've also never seen is icing on the non-transparent cake.

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    Re: Is the Obama administration the "most transparent administration in history"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    Yeah, it can be. I'd rather have politicians be able to negotiate without having the fear of political blow back by knee jerk reactions from the media, and the public. Look how many good things haven't happened because of such blow back.
    Transparency is your best protection against corruption. All things behind-the-curtain your greatest enabler of corruption.

    So I'm gonna call your post grossly misinformed.

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    Re: Is the Obama administration the "most transparent administration in history"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Transparency is your best protection against corruption. All things behind-the-curtain your greatest enabler of corruption.

    So I'm gonna call your post grossly misinformed.
    It's not black and white, yes transparency can be good, but some negotiations need to be done behind the curtain. For example, it is very likely we wouldn't be posting this right now, because nuclear war might have happened if the Cuban Missile Crisis couldn't be adverted with behind the scenes negotiations.
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    Re: Is the Obama administration the "most transparent administration in history"?

    A better question would be, can you EVER remember a transparent administration? Well, at least prior administrations didn't have drones flying over our heads. Stay away from the windows guys.
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