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    Re: Is the Obama administration the "most transparent administration in history"?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Fine, how about Andrew Jackson? He openly defied the Constitution and murdered a good amount of Cherokees.
    Fairly open, but he didn't exactly spell out to everyone that he was taking his political advice from friends instead of his cabinet.
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    Re: Is the Obama administration the "most transparent administration in history"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Fairly open, but he didn't exactly spell out to everyone that he was taking his political advice from friends instead of his cabinet.
    Well, with anyone else do we even have that evidence?

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    Re: Is the Obama administration the "most transparent administration in history"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Fairly open, but he didn't exactly spell out to everyone that he was taking his political advice from friends instead of his cabinet.
    Well, okay, that and if you wanted to push it on the Bank crisis, he did put federal money in banks that were favorable to him. You could make the counter-argument that it was needed given the climate, but it's a point of contention.
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    Re: Is the Obama administration the "most transparent administration in history"?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Well, with anyone else do we even have that evidence?
    Don't quite know what you're asking.
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    Re: Is the Obama administration the "most transparent administration in history"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Don't quite know what you're asking.
    Do you think Obama and the other presidents haven't had the same kind of system?

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    Re: Is the Obama administration the "most transparent administration in history"?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Do you think Obama and the other presidents haven't had the same kind of system?
    I'd say it's mostly a 20th century formation, with additional requirements, say after the War on Terrorism. The entire executive branch has gone through quite the transformation in that 100 year span. But you know, you have more transparency on many matters at the same time that you don't.
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    Re: Is the Obama administration the "most transparent administration in history"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    I'd say it's mostly a 20th century formation, with additional requirements, say after the War on Terrorism. The entire executive branch has gone through quite the transformation in that 100 year span.
    I'd say TR thoroughly modernized the presidency. By the way, I don't see "modernization" as a good thing.

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    Re: Is the Obama administration the "most transparent administration in history"?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    I'd say TR thoroughly modernized the presidency. By the way, I don't see "modernization" as a good thing.
    T.R. did much, but here's one that's seen as pretty crucial. Reorganization Act of 1939 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Re: Is the Obama administration the "most transparent administration in history"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    It certainly is. Public opinion has a strange effect on a negotiation process that is often unwieldy if you let it dominate. Your leaders need to be able to jostle for position, present alternatives and conduct an agreement without outside interference.
    Not every little detail of a big bill should be public but not even letting the legislators see a bill before voting/passing it seems to be in the high end of opaque on the transparency scale.

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    Re: Is the Obama administration the "most transparent administration in history"?

    Quote Originally Posted by Josie View Post
    President Obama said recently his administration is the most transparent administration in [American] history. Do you agree or disagree?
    No it is not. I would say the most tranparent presidency's were the ones from Washington through Taft. That is simply because a president really didn't have much to do and some spent most of their presidency sitting on the White House Lawn sipping iced tea or some other beverage. Wilson through Hoover would have the be the second tier of transparent presidency's. Starting with FDR, hidding things from the public became common place. You can debate which president hid the most and which the least, but for the most part transparency flew out the window. Wars, national security, behind the scene shennanigans, deal making etc, became common beginning with FDR. The presidency has evolved. Is the Obama administration more transparent than Bush II's, I don't know. It is probably just a matter of perspective and which party you belong to as to believe what each has said and let the public in on.
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