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    Do We Need To Revisit The States Rights Issue?

    The question of States Rights has long been considered a foregone conclusion. The Civil War was suppose to have settled the issue once and for all. Has it? I believe that in order for a government to properly function, the delegation of tasks and authority needs to be distributed in a means that allows greatest control to be had at the most local of levels.

    I believe in order for people to be free, to really know liberty they cannot find it out of centralized authority hundreds or thousands of miles away. It needs to be close to home. Power needs to be distributed downward and expanded from the Federal level, providing a "night watchman" style of governance while additional and more specific functions need to be handled at the State, the county, and the municipal level.

    The closer you are to your government, especially the representitives of a representitive government the more you are able to actively take part in the process of self governance

    I believe the issue of States Rights needs to be revisted, how about you?

    (the issue of slavery is a non-issue and childish. It is childish because no one in their right mind wants to bring the institution back, so please let that dog lie...)

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    Re: Do We Need To Revisit The States Rights Issue?

    I would agree with this if our national history were not rife with states abusing the basic rights of the people and the federal government having to prevent the states from conducting these oppressions. In theory, the "night watchman" style you describe is excellent. But the states have proven time and time again that they cannot be trusted. From voter suppression, to sexism, to fighting gay rights, to religious bigotry... state laws have done a hundred times more to strip Americans of their freedoms than federal laws. They had a nice 200 year probation period to prove that they were able to handle the general police power that they enjoy, and consistently failed to do so.
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    Re: Do We Need To Revisit The States Rights Issue?

    Yes !!! An american can move from New York to Texas to get away from Bloomberg and Cuomo,
    an american cant get away from Reid Mc Connell Pelosi & Boehner

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    Re: Do We Need To Revisit The States Rights Issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    I would agree with this if our national history were not rife with states abusing the basic rights of the people and the federal government having to prevent the states from conducting these oppressions. In theory, the "night watchman" style you describe is excellent. But the states have proven time and time again that they cannot be trusted. From voter suppression, to sexism, to fighting gay rights, to religious bigotry... state laws have done a hundred times more to strip Americans of their freedoms than federal laws. They had a nice 200 year probation period to prove that they were able to handle the general police power that they enjoy, and consistently failed to do so.
    The federal gov't has now discovered the Constitutional right to use unfunded mandates thus all power is potentially federal. Once the federal gov't can mandate that each citizen buy private goods/services or force you to pay a tax for not doing as mandated the game of state's (and citizen's) rights is over. Today it is "private" (federal gov't approved?) medical care insurance, tomorrow it may be little "green" electric carts and solar/wind powered chargers.

    Simply because something is deemed important, like education, does not make it into new a federal power. The fastest growing, cabinet level, federal dept. is ED, yet never mentioned as a federal Constitutional power. The states do not complain as they now receive 10% of their education funding from federal aid. Freedom exists only on paper and we must admit that, without any limits, federal power and its costs increase each year. States must actually tax to spend money, while the federal gov't may both print and borrow it - currently spending 40% more than they dare ask for in direct taxation.
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    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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    Re: Do We Need To Revisit The States Rights Issue?

    It's not dead in the water. In most issues it is the given assumption that if the Federal government makes a directive, states fulfill basic requirements and then design the rest of their implementation to suit their needs and interests.
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    Re: Do We Need To Revisit The States Rights Issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    The question of States Rights has long been considered a foregone conclusion. The Civil War was suppose to have settled the issue once and for all. Has it? I believe that in order for a government to properly function, the delegation of tasks and authority needs to be distributed in a means that allows greatest control to be had at the most local of levels.

    I believe in order for people to be free, to really know liberty they cannot find it out of centralized authority hundreds or thousands of miles away. It needs to be close to home. Power needs to be distributed downward and expanded from the Federal level, providing a "night watchman" style of governance while additional and more specific functions need to be handled at the State, the county, and the municipal level.

    The closer you are to your government, especially the representitives of a representitive government the more you are able to actively take part in the process of self governance

    I believe the issue of States Rights needs to be revisted, how about you?

    (the issue of slavery is a non-issue and childish. It is childish because no one in their right mind wants to bring the institution back, so please let that dog lie...)
    I think with the supremacy clause and the commerce clause as interpreted today has left the individual or several states basically powerless when dealing with the federal government.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Do We Need To Revisit The States Rights Issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I think with the supremacy clause and the commerce clause as interpreted today has left the individual or several states basically powerless when dealing with the federal government.

    I don't believe Nullification has been as thoroughly explored as it can and should be in regards to the supremacy clause. I believe it can be applied to the commerce clause as well. States have been quite lackadaisical in their dealings with the Federal government. Either by self interest taking precedent or for fear of having the money spigot being turned shut.

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    Re: Do We Need To Revisit The States Rights Issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    It's not dead in the water. In most issues it is the given assumption that if the Federal government makes a directive, states fulfill basic requirements and then design the rest of their implementation to suit their needs and interests.
    Giving directives and telling States to follow them through and giving the power for the States to give directives following Federal guidelines of what isn't permissible are two seperate things.

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    Re: Do We Need To Revisit The States Rights Issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I think with the supremacy clause and the commerce clause as interpreted today has left the individual or several states basically powerless when dealing with the federal government.
    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    I don't believe Nullification has been as thoroughly explored as it can and should be in regards to the supremacy clause. I believe it can be applied to the commerce clause as well. States have been quite lackadaisical in their dealings with the Federal government. Either by self interest taking precedent or for fear of having the money spigot being turned shut.
    To amend my first response: Knowing full well that nullification has never won the day, I believe it is a matter of not getting creative enough with it.

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    Re: Do We Need To Revisit The States Rights Issue?

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    I don't believe Nullification has been as thoroughly explored as it can and should be in regards to the supremacy clause. I believe it can be applied to the commerce clause as well. States have been quite lackadaisical in their dealings with the Federal government. Either by self interest taking precedent or for fear of having the money spigot being turned shut.
    Exactly, the individual states are either scared to death of the power of the federal government or scared to death at having their cash flow stopped. Either way, the fed always seems to win.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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