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Dorner: Executed or Accident?

Was Dorner executed or was it an unfortunate consequence?


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It's fairly depressing to see how far people will allow the government to strip them of their human decency in order to obtain some imagined amount of "safety".

Damn Ikari- this guy stripped himself of his own human dignity.
He knew he was wanted for murder, yet he continued to run. I understand where you're coming from, but this guy went ballistic, shot people, planned to shoot many more, and somehow, we're supposed to think that he was stripped of his human dignity? He did it to himself.
 
Damn Ikari- this guy stripped himself of his own human dignity.
He knew he was wanted for murder, yet he continued to run. I understand where you're coming from, but this guy went ballistic, shot people, planned to shoot many more, and somehow, we're supposed to think that he was stripped of his human dignity? He did it to himself.

You should read the post I quoted when I made that statement.
 
If it ensures and preserves the rights and liberties of the individual, I'll be "soft" on crime.

I agree.

But, it was quite clear that this guy was going to go to the very end.
 
I agree.

But, it was quite clear that this guy was going to go to the very end.

It was. I think that was dictated the moment he turned his gun on the authority.
 
Do you really think cops need a reason to shoot a cop killer?

No. Do you really think that the police shot Dorner, or simply cornered him and then set his cover on fire? It is likely that Dorner shot himself, but I will wait for the "official" version.
 
Given that Doerner had graphically proven himself to be extremely dangerous, I think the police can be forgiven for not taking undue risks to take him alive.
 
Given that Doerner had graphically proven himself to be extremely dangerous, I think the police can be forgiven for not taking undue risks to take him alive.

He already killed one earlier that day. Why lose any more lives to this sociopath?

This is why I liked being in the Marines. Someone kills one of ours and runs into a building, we call in airstrikes, fire tank rounds, hand grenades, whatever we needed to do. I feel sorry that cops are expected to show restraint when they are watching their comrades die around them. It's always the armchair experts that have no idea what it is to be in those situations. And their opinions aren't worth the bytes it takes to post them on a message board IMO.
 
I see that some believe its alright for law enforcement to also serve as judge, jury...and executioner. I guess that works as long as that type of power doesn't effect them. And of course they don't see that as a possibility in a nation ruled by law.
 
No. Do you really think that the police shot Dorner, or simply cornered him and then set his cover on fire? It is likely that Dorner shot himself, but I will wait for the "official" version.

I agree, he likely shot himself. They'd lobbed in tear gas and were tearing down the walls. No.Way.Out. But he knew that when he realized he was across the road from their standpost.
 
This is why I liked being in the Marines. Someone kills one of ours and runs into a building, we call in airstrikes, fire tank rounds, hand grenades, whatever we needed to do. I feel sorry that cops are expected to show restraint when they are watching their comrades die around them. It's always the armchair experts that have no idea what it is to be in those situations. And their opinions aren't worth the bytes it takes to post them on a message board IMO.

You seem to think you know more about what happened than the inquiry that hasn't even taken place yet. I feel sorry that the cops get unconditional support from service people who think they are the experts in everything just because they were in the military or law enforcement. You weren't there and neither was I.

For the record I think this guy was on a suicide path and was willing to take down whoever he could, thus I don't think excessive force was used in his take down. What I take exception to is that you're trying to render a verdict as if you know better when many of the facts have not yet been collected.

This case is going to be heard even if the perp is in absentia. Until then, every one of us is an "armchair expert".
 
He already killed one earlier that day. Why lose any more lives to this sociopath?

This is why I liked being in the Marines. Someone kills one of ours and runs into a building, we call in airstrikes, fire tank rounds, hand grenades, whatever we needed to do. I feel sorry that cops are expected to show restraint when they are watching their comrades die around them. It's always the armchair experts that have no idea what it is to be in those situations. And their opinions aren't worth the bytes it takes to post them on a message board IMO.

Policing is completely different from soldiering. People like Dorner aside, those the police deal with aren't the enemy and Big Bear isn't Fallujah.

The police absolutely have a right to themselves but their job is to enforce the law not act as the jury.
 
So it's acceptable and justifiable police procedure to set fire to any structure a bad guy is hiding in, eh? Interesting.


He was not just hiding, he had shot and killed police. It is more acceptable and justified than shooting an armed suspect in the head with a sniper rifle, certainly, particularly with no belief that anyone else was present.

If your point is WACO, they were killed by cyanide gas, not fire. People can leave a burning building. He could have.

I gather your point is that the police should have shot and killed him instantly instead rather than try to drive him out for arrest and a trial - in your belief in summary executions. I suppose you are not the only person who just wanted him killed with no chance at a trial if he wished to surrender at all.
 
Policing is completely different from soldiering. People like Dorner aside, those the police deal with aren't the enemy and Big Bear isn't Fallujah.

The police absolutely have a right to themselves but their job is to enforce the law not act as the jury.


Such adsurdly stupid argument. He could have surrendered. He could have left the burning building. They police chould have legally just shot him to death inside the building, but they didn't. They tried to drive him out to surrender.

I think you are outraged that he wasn't just summarily gunned down rather than given chance to surrender. YOUR view is one demanding summary execution. UNLIKE YOU, the police tried to avoid that.
 
I see that some believe its alright for law enforcement to also serve as judge, jury...and executioner. I guess that works as long as that type of power doesn't effect them. And of course they don't see that as a possibility in a nation ruled by law.


It appears that YOU belive that law enforcement should be judge, jury and executioner. Setting the cabin on fire to drive him out alive - rather than just peppering with thousands of bullets - apparently annoys you. Why didn't they just kill him outright?! appears your point. Unless you are just a cop hater and wanted him to have an indefinite amount of time to shot at police or anyone else who happened along for however many days he wanted to.
 
If even one person - the OP or anyone else - has ANYTHING but RABID HATRED OF POLICE - that even hints that he was "burned alive" - post it. Setting a cabin on fire is not "burning someone alive."

I am stunned at the radical, absurdly radical, hatred of ALL police some on this forum have. It is outrageous.
 
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Such adsurdly stupid argument. He could have surrendered. He could have left the burning building. They police chould have legally just shot him to death inside the building, but they didn't. They tried to drive him out to surrender.

I think you are outraged that he wasn't just summarily gunned down rather than given chance to surrender. YOUR view is one demanding summary execution. UNLIKE YOU, the police tried to avoid that.

You missed the "people like Dorner aside" part.

I was commenting about the equating of soldiering and policing. They aren't and when police act like soldiers and treat the citizenry like enemy combatants we have lots of problems.
 
THIS is what the cop-haters are saying the police SHOULD have done, rather than try to drive him out to surrender.

Since he had a rifle - and essentially all can shoot up to a mile - the police should have brought in hundreds of officers - blocking everyone out - to maintain a circle 1 mile away from and all around the cabin - so he couldn't shoot any of them - but then assuring he wasn't hurt.

Then, with a bit of rain and picking off a few birds now and then, he could live in that cabin for months as years, as all the officers maintain on constant vigiliance every second in the mile radius 24-7 in case he charged out. In their view, once a person gets into any structure that person is safe for an indefinite period of time - like children playing chase with a home base - and no time limit how long you can stay at that home base. Basically as only as you live.

And I have no doubt if any other officers had been killed silently inside they would have cheered him. They are angry because their cop-killing hero is dead. I truly believe that is the underlying motive of these total-lie claims that he was "burned to death." Their words are just rationalizations for the making him a hero as all cops should be killed in their view.
 
PS...

None of the cop-hates will post it, but I will. I really feel sorry for the families of those officers killed and for those wounded and fighting for their lives now. I'm glad he can hurt no one else and that is where my sympathies and angers lie.
 
The police are not perfect...far from it....
But for one to accuse the police of using fire....that is over the top.

They more than earned it.
 
It appears that YOU belive that law enforcement should be judge, jury and executioner. Setting the cabin on fire to drive him out alive - rather than just peppering with thousands of bullets - apparently annoys you. Why didn't they just kill him outright?! appears your point. Unless you are just a cop hater and wanted him to have an indefinite amount of time to shot at police or anyone else who happened along for however many days he wanted to.

Interesting coming from you, Joko...is that really what you think? Is that the type of man that you believe me to be? Seriously?

I've never been called a cop hater before.
 
Article says Dorner's wallet w/ID found in cabin. Complaint at bottom of article says Dorner's wallet w/ID was found at the Mexico border.

Somehow the wallet, independent of Dorner and in police possession managed to travel about 100 miles (or more) in a few days time.

Interesting, that.

Report: Dorner's wallet found in burned-out cabin
 
Article says Dorner's wallet w/ID found in cabin. Complaint at bottom of article says Dorner's wallet w/ID was found at the Mexico border.

Somehow the wallet, independent of Dorner and in police possession managed to travel about 100 miles (or more) in a few days time.

Interesting, that.

Report: Dorner's wallet found in burned-out cabin

Hm? Interesting. For sure. Chalk it up to the news never knowing anything because they report to quickly?
 
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