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Dorner: Executed or Accident?

Was Dorner executed or was it an unfortunate consequence?

  • YES, police knew teargas would burn him alive.

    Votes: 25 64.1%

  • NO, it was an honest attempt to subdue him.

    Votes: 14 35.9%
  • Total voters
    39
  • Poll closed .
Ikari said:
There is no information as of right now that would lead me to believe the cops had any intention of taking him in alive.
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What he was doing was horrible. But he was also making the cops look like idiots shooting them willy nilly and constantly getting away. Plus, in time it might come out that he was railroaded by the Thin Blue Line. That doesn't by any means abdicate his crazy actions but it does put some of the blame for setting him off on a corrupt system in LA.
 
grip said:
Ok, let the police summarily execute anyone they deem worthy. You can eliminate the judicial system and save the taxpayers some money.

Police kill people all the time in shootouts, which is necessary but knowingly setting a building on fire to kill a suspect?
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We know nothing about how the fire started, how he died, when he died . . . and so on. for all we know he popped himself in the head while setting a blaze :shrug:

As they ALWAYS do: they'll investigate and look into it . . . and people who believe right now that the police acted unjustly- they'll continue to believe it no matter what the final news is. If they say 'he set the fire and then shot himself' some people will just cling to the belief that the police did it all in some unjust and heinous act of spite.

Conspiracy theorists will believe what they want.
Everyone else will let it go because - honestly - who gives a flying **** about Dorner's dumb**** ass?
 
Aunt Spiker said:
We know nothing about how the fire started, how he died, when he died . . . and so on. for all we know he popped himself in the head while setting a blaze :shrug:

As they ALWAYS do: they'll investigate and look into it . . . and people who believe right now that the police acted unjustly- they'll continue to believe it no matter what the final news is. If they say 'he set the fire and then shot himself' some people will just cling to the belief that the police did it all in some unjust and heinous act of spite.

Conspiracy theorists will believe what they want.
Everyone else will let it go because - honestly - who gives a flying **** about Dorner's dumb**** ass?
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I'll believe a reasonable explanation and have no skin in the game other than hoping we continue to hold our professionals to a standard worthy of social justice.
As far as caring about Dorner that's something you'll have to search your own conscious over. I try to hate deeds, not people.
 
grip said:
What he was doing was horrible. But he was also making the cops look like idiots shooting them willy nilly and constantly getting away. Plus, in time it might come out that he was railroaded by the Thin Blue Line. That doesn't by any means abdicate his crazy actions but it does put some of the blame for setting him off on a corrupt system in LA.
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Regardless of one thinking his actions were or were not justified, I think there is no doubt he was railroaded by the police. And the accusations in his manifesto warrants investigation.
 
grip said:
I'll believe a reasonable explanation and have no skin in the game other than hoping we continue to hold our professionals to a standard worthy of social justice.
As far as caring about Dorner that's something you'll have to search your own conscious over. I try to hate deeds, not people.
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Why do I get the feeling that even THE truthful and accurate explanation isn't going to be reasonable enough?

You're suspicious when right now there's no reason to be - we know absolutely nothing about the end. How can you be suspicious when they haven't released much of any detail on anything?

I see - to some - that only certain 'stories' will be believable . . .and heavens forbid if reality is anything other than that.
 
Ikari said:
Regardless of one thinking his actions were or were not justified, I think there is no doubt he was railroaded by the police. And the accusations in his manifesto warrants investigation.
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From what I've already seen reported it looks like the Review Board discounted his claims of police brutality against a fellow officer without due diligence. Especially with the witness of the suspect's father confirming the abuse. I expect a tuck and roll on the whole issue though with no admittance of wrong doing.
 
lizzie said:
According to the news reports, somebody was dead in that cabin.
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It could've been someone else not reported by the maids. But it's most likely going to be confirmed as him.
 
Personally, I'm pretty sure they knew he wasn't going to be taken alive, so it really doesn't matter. They knew that inciting action would either force him to do himself in, or to come out with guns blazing to be shot down. Either way it ended exactly as it should have..... with a dead cop-killer.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Why do I get the feeling that even THE truthful and accurate explanation isn't going to be reasonable enough?

You're suspicious when right now there's no reason to be - we know absolutely nothing about the end. How can you be suspicious when they haven't released much of any detail on anything?

I see - to some - that only certain 'stories' will be believable . . .and heavens forbid if reality is anything other than that.
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That's your opinion. Like I said, I have nothing against the police and no reason not to believe a reasonable explanation.

A suspect held up in a cabin for days is suddenly ended by a fire? That isn't suspicious in itself? You do know that most cops are automatically put on paid suspension when any shooting takes place to be reviewed by a board to make sure it was a righteous shoot?
 
To me, the problem is not whether he was executed or killed himself. It's the police going off the deep end, to such a degree that they shot at women delivering newspapers, and also shot at a white guy in a van, even though the killer happened to be black. In that vein, an investigation is definitely in order. In your attempts to mete out justice to someone who deserves it, you don't go around attempting to toast innocent civilians, for whatever reason.
 
Ray410 said:
There should be a third category in the above poll and that is "Who cares?"

Even in our liberal, pop culture, tolerant, no judgments society, some people reveal themselves to be so depraved that they need killing. Dorner was in that category.
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It might have been necessary to kill this guy due to his resistance but over all I do not agree with your sentiment. Habeas corpus exists for a reason, so does trial by a jury of your peers.

We don't have a police force of Judge Dreds. Their job is to detain SUSPECTS for processing by the courts. Anything less if vigilante justice and violates the Bill of Rights.
 
Northern Light said:
We don't have a police force of Judge Dreds. Their job is to detain SUSPECTS for processing by the courts. Anything less if vigilante justice and violates the Bill of Rights.
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Then we need to change the Bill of Rights, because the current Legal System is completely and totally broken.
 
ecofarm said:
Irresponsible speculation. Supported by...



Impossible conspiracy theory.
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Ok, maybe just "He looked like he had a weapon".

I saw LAPD (granted he wasn't iin LA county) go full retard when one of their mounted officers almost trampled a kid and got dragged off his horse and touched up. Venice beach, fourth of July.

Completely ridiculous.

And how many innocent bystanders did the cops mistakenly open fire on again?

Lets not imply rationality where none is evident.
 
danarhea said:
To me, the problem is not whether he was executed or killed himself. It's the police going off the deep end, to such a degree that they shot at women delivering newspapers, and also shot at a white guy in a van, even though the killer happened to be black. In that vein, an investigation is definitely in order. In your attempts to mete out justice to someone who deserves it, you don't go around attempting to toast innocent civilians, for whatever reason.
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It's pretty suspect, isn't it? It's not news for cops go shoot civilians when trying to get bad guys, but there is typically a bad guy in the area. Here they just shot up whatever like all they wanted to do was kill off this guy before he could run his mouth more. The only real thing they did was to sorta prove Dorner's point in the first place.
 
What if...? said:
Lets not imply rationality where none is evident.
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Let's not.

He comes out, hands up, cameras rolling, no weapon in hand... he lives. End of story.

Gun planted after they shoot him, hands up, in front of cameras, as a cover up? Stupid theory.
 
ecofarm said:
He comes out, hands up, cameras rolling, no weapon in hand... he lives. End of story.

Gun planted after they shoot him, hands up, in front of cameras, as a cover up? Stupid theory.
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They were allowing cameras close enough to get shot?

HIGHLY doubtful.

And "He looked like he had a weapon" is a standard explanation.
 
I see the question as irrelevant. If they had a clean sniper shot they would have and should have taken it since he was not surrendering. So if they used an incendiary or a bullet? The only difference is that an incendiary still allowed him to surrender. Thus, whether to "subdue" or start a fire is irrelevant. It was his choice to surrender or be burned alive if it was for incendiary reasons. That gave him an option a sniper bullet wouldn't. Given the power of modern ammunition, his being in that cabin was no different than being in a tissue paper cabin and accordingly they could have just gunned him down with it only a question of how many bullets.
 
What if...? said:
They were allowing cameras close enough to get shot?

HIGHLY doubtful.

And "He looked like he had a weapon" is a standard explanation.
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There were live cameras. If he comes out with his hands up, lays down as told with hands forward, etc, he lives. Pretending that the cops could, with cameras rolling on the scene, PLANT A WEAPON ON HIM, is too much. It's off the reservation, beyond the pale, ridiculous and impossible.
 
Northern Light said:
It might have been necessary to kill this guy due to his resistance but over all I do not agree with your sentiment. Habeas corpus exists for a reason, so does trial by a jury of your peers.

We don't have a police force of Judge Dreds. Their job is to detain SUSPECTS for processing by the courts. Anything less if vigilante justice and violates the Bill of Rights.
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Maybe.

Keep this in mind: Liberal client groups are now using the American Constitution to destroy America. Muslim Jihadists have actually said that they will use the American Constitution to achieve their freedom to implement Sharia law. Boundless allegiance to jurisprudence was possible when America had a common culture dedicated to achievement and goodness, universal political willingness to obey the law and love of country. That culture is gone and to failure to recognize how evil may use the tools of goodness to destroy is extremely naive. These are times when one must summon the strength to fight back against evil, not find comfort and solace in naivety while hoping that "things will be all right" simply because that course requires no courage or effort.

One must find the proper balance within oneself, not blindly embrace the institutions that are being corrupted by those who would do us harm.
 
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Also, the poll question is an EXTREME anti police poll, since starting a fire in the cabin would NOT burn him alive. It would force him out with his only option being suicide.

Setting the cabin on fire would NOT have been "burning him alive." The OPer should just have started his OP with "I REALLY, REALLY HATE POLICE!" for how it is worded.
 
Neosteve said:
There is a town in Texas called Waco. Another unfortunate accident.
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This was NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING, like Waco and it is disgusting that you try to compare the two.
 
ecofarm said:
There were live cameras. If he comes out with his hands up, lays down as told with hands forward, etc, he lives. Pretending that the cops could, with cameras rolling on the scene, PLANT A WEAPON ON HIM, is too much. It's off the reservation, beyond the pale, ridiculous and impossible.
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My bad, I was unaware they were allowing cameras to film the whole thing. They usually keep them back.

So, "He looked like he was going for a weapon", then.
 
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