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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    My brain knows you're right. My heart just wants this guy shot dead and his next of kin billed for the bullet.
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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Ahhh debtors prison. We don't allow that anymore either.



    Some people will certain act like the "don't deserve rights", but that doesn't mean we are justified in the arbitrary infringement of them. Proof and warrant are necessary to elicit government force against the rights and liberties of the individual.
    Again, I know you're right, I do. Sometimes it's just hard for me to stand and champion for guys who do this. Now if it was a freedom of speech issue about him railing about cops or his wife/girlfriend, sure. I'd never make a good lawyer. I couldn't argue for someone I know is guilty as all hell, and pretend that he deserves leniency or understanding.

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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    Again, I know you're right, I do. Sometimes it's just hard for me to stand and champion for guys who do this. Now if it was a freedom of speech issue about him railing about cops or his wife/girlfriend, sure. I'd never make a good lawyer. I couldn't argue for someone I know is guilty as all hell, and pretend that he deserves leniency or understanding.
    The government probably should temper their decisions with "will I force someone to kill me over this".
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    Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    I expect Dorner had no intention of being taken alive. I also expect the police were more than willing to oblige him.

    That said from what I heard of the audio the San Bernadino PD didn't sound particularly professional and it did sound to me like they intended to set fire to the cabin. Turning a cabin in a wooded area into a blazing inferno doesn't seem to be the brightest of ideas. That could have ended badly.
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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The government probably should temper their decisions with "will I force someone to kill me over this".
    They've done worse.

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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    There was no way Dorner was going to be taken alive, whether he wanted to be or not. The two incidents of police firing on cars that looked like Dorner's proved that. We don't know what actually happened, and I imagine that the conspiracy theory rumor mills will be quite active after this. However, judging by the idiotic, overzealous response that involved shooting at unarmed people when there was zero evidence that the officers' lives were in danger, I wouldn't put it past the LAPD. Dorner was a murderer. There is no justifying that. He was also extremely dangerous, and it's just as likely that he did himself in rather than be taken alive. I get that, but the police only put the public in greater danger with their bone-headedness. This zealotry was enough to allow them to shoot at unarmed civilians. I highly doubt that they would have extended greater generosity toward someone who had killed their colleagues.
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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Since when has tear gas been used to start a fire?
    Teargas grenades usually results in a fire if the grenade is in contact with combustible materials.

    Remember the SLA (Symbioses Liberation Army) shootout with the LAPD back in 1974 ? All of those leftist were burned alive when LAPD fired teargas grenades in to the house they were hold up in.

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    Photo of a SLA BBQ in South L.A.

    It was Dorners choice just like the SLA members, he could have surrender or commit suicide by either affixation, burning to death or putting a bullet in his own head.

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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Teargas grenades usually results in a fire if the grenade is in contact with combustible materials.

    Remember the SLA (Symbioses Liberation Army) shootout with the LAPD back in 1974 ? All of those leftist were burned alive when LAPD fired teargas grenades in to the house they were hold up in.

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    Photo of a SLA BBQ in South L.A.

    It was Dorners choice just like the SLA members, he could have surrender or commit suicide by either affixation, burning to death or putting a bullet in his own head.
    ....so it's ok to set buildings on fire to get bad guys; it's the bad guy's fault for dying in the fire.

    Does that mean I can set fire to your house and if you die, I cannot be held to murder or manslaughter charges? I mean, it was your choice "stay in" there, yes?
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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Backpedaling on CT is no fun. Eventually, you'll find some kind of subterfuge that could maybe possibly be employed to kill him illegally and...

    therefore he had no chance.


    Nonsense.
    IME, in So Cal theres no such thing as a "bad shoot".

    So there wouldn't be anything "illegal".

    I'm sure an internal investigation would exonerate anyone who shot him.

    You know, like the transit cop who shot the guy by mistake because he thought he had his taser.

    The one on his "off" hip that somehow weighs the same as a loaded gun. Honest mistake.

    Not.

    You'll note I tend to come down on the side of LE. They have a complex and difficult job.

    But i've had personal experience with So Cal cops that would cause any rwasonable person to have reservations in regard to their professionalism.

    LA and San Bernadino are particularly notorious.

    So the "unthinkable" tack you're taking doesn't apply.

    Police misbehavior is RARELY seriously dealt with. It's a weird psychology. Admitting misbehavior damages public confidence in the police in general. Covering misbehavior up only outrages the victims and their families. Standard PR methods. Mimimize negative public sentiment. **** the truth.

    It's a big part of negative attitudes towards police. Only takes one instance where you know for a fact they're being dishonest to make you doubt their veracity forever. Eventually, so many experience this it causes widespread animosity.

    To which LE responds with more excessive behavior to maintain "respect". (Paraphrase of an actual conversation with an LA gang unit cop in Venice during the incident i mentioned upthread)
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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    It appears from this article Dorner manhunt: Charred human remains found in burned cabin - latimes.com that Dorner was killed by LA Police. Whether it was done intentionally or not is the question?
    Good, **** him.
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