View Poll Results: Was Dorner executed or was it an unfortunate consequence?

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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Ok, let the police summarily execute anyone they deem worthy. You can eliminate the judicial system and save the taxpayers some money.

    Police kill people all the time in shootouts, which is necessary but knowingly setting a building on fire to kill a suspect?
    I can't believe the bull**** you're spewing. Please prove your allegation that they knowingly set a building on fire to kill him. What a crock.
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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Grip- this guy had already killed, and was threatening to kill more. He had gone off the edge of humanity, and was resisting all attempts to bring this matter to a sane ending. If they set the house on fire, I feel pretty confident in saying that it was to flush him out, so that he could be apprehended, and not for the purpose of killing him.
    The smoke inhalation will suffocate a person who's resisting going outside faster than they can react too.

    I'm not saying he was going out easy but we usually exhaust every effort to apprehend someone, so the justice system can work properly. If we allow cowboy tactics to succeed in real life situations, then there will be no end to where people allow police to dispense justice.
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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I can't believe the bull**** you're spewing. Please prove your allegation that they knowingly set a building on fire to kill him. What a crock.


    Did you bother reading the article? And it's a poll asking opinions.
    Last edited by grip; 02-13-13 at 12:49 PM.
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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I can't believe the bull**** you're spewing. Please prove your allegation that they knowingly set a building on fire to kill him. What a crock.
    Think about the $1 million bounty - no arrest, no trial and no bounty.
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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Grip- this guy had already killed, and was threatening to kill more. He had gone off the edge of humanity, and was resisting all attempts to bring this matter to a sane ending. If they set the house on fire, I feel pretty confident in saying that it was to flush him out, so that he could be apprehended, and not for the purpose of killing him.
    Think about the $1 million bounty - no arrest, no trial and no bounty.
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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    They heard a shot and THEN the building erupted in fire...but no report of shots after the explosion.

    So either he shot at a gas-fueled appliances and was killed immediately in the explosion, or the fire erupted spontaneously because of the tear gas being ignited by the gun shot which he aimed at himself....

    But then I find this:

    TEAR GAS GRENADES | CAMEO Chemicals | NOAA

    ...so it doesn't make a lot of sense, really. Either he blew himself up (painful way to go) intentionally, he shot himself and a random explosion of fire somehow occurred, or he shot a canister not knowing it would (maybe) erupt (but then where'd the flames come from, unless the canister was near a gas appliance), or there wasn't a canister at all and there's no easy explanation for how a shot preceded a mystery fire, 'cause the police said they "pumped in" tear gas.

    I'll wait 'til the details are more clear.
    I'll go one further and say this:

    If they were tearing the building down wall-by-wall as the article states, would they not have shut OFF the gas supply first? And if they didn't, wouldn't that be gross negligence?

    So then there's ANOTHER question: if the gas was off, then what caused a fire to erupt? Further, there was no report of any explosion prior to the fire erupting, so that lends to the gas being off. How'd the fire spread that quickly w/o an explosion? If it was a liquid gas-fueled fire, where'd the gas come from? The guy stole a truck and left most of his gear in it when he took off on foot...so???
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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    The smoke inhalation will suffocate a person who's resisting going outside faster than they can react too.

    I'm not saying he was going out easy but we usually exhaust every effort to apprehend someone, so the justice system can work properly. If we allow cowboy tactics to succeed in real life situations, then there will be no end to where people allow police to dispense justice.
    Grip- a fire doesn't suddenly consume a building, unless it's from a significant explosive. He would have had time to get out, and I'm pretty sure he was within close range of a window, where escape would have been easy.
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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Could they have used flash bangs to stun him? Or maybe use a sound weapon to disarm and disorient him.
    When you have a barricaded suspect whom you know is alone and who has 4 kills to his name the use of non-lethal means to capture that individual should be limited to those actions which put the least number of your forces in the least amount of direct contact with the suspect. For that reason "disorienting" Dorner would have been an unnecessarily stupid move.

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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    The smoke inhalation will suffocate a person who's resisting going outside faster than they can react too.
    False. Anyone who has been to basic training took a lungsful of CS, in a closed chamber, after holding their breath, and had to struggle (past drills with masks) to get out. CS cannot keep someone from getting out of a room, even after getting a full dose.

    He still doesn't wanna come out? Well, too bad for him.

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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Think about the $1 million bounty - no arrest, no trial and no bounty.
    The courts are already clogged in Southern California with criminal cases. The Return on Investment from some tear gas cannisters should be applauded by all who live here.

    California courts to cut services, increase fees under budget proposal

    Erika Aguilar | January 11th, 2013, 6:00am

    State courts have been dealt $1.2 billion in budget cuts over the past five years. The proposed state budget released Thursday predicted that trial courts would have to make permanent changes to achieve about $200 million in savings.

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