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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Seems like his death was pretty much inevitable. He wasn't concerned with turning himself in. Why put others in harm way to detain him against his will or kill him? Dead is dead.

    Burning him alive is bad if it's used in retribution. That's not the job of police. It is thier job to take out threats and IF! the fire was at least semi-intentional because they didn't want to send in police officers after a guy that stated he wanted to kill police officers I don't see the problem.

    If he wanted to exercise his rights to a fair trial he could of turned himself in.
    Inevitable? Death is inevitable for all of us and though his was probably going to happen there's always the chance he could've been saved. Once we remove the sane and sacred worth we place on any life, then you will see something you might not want.
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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Yes, I think it matters how the police handle themselves in any situation, regardless of how sociopath the perp appears. Once we allow our officials to make decisions based on irrational emotion we're going down a dark path.
    Frankly, I don't think it was irrational emotion, knowing that the guy had a manifesto with the names of 50 (?)people he was targeting. They were basically dealing with a human gone feral.
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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    It appears from this article Dorner manhunt: Charred human remains found in burned cabin - latimes.com that Dorner was killed by LA Police. Whether it was done intentionally or not is the question?
    LOL - how does this figure? In a standoff with police they accidentally shot it? He accidentally shot himself? He accidentally set the log cabin on fire? When - when he turned on the gas stove to cook up some jiffy pop?

    Suicide by cop, either way - really . . . I mean seriously. An accident would have been if he fell from the rooftop while aiming at a cruiser in the treeline.
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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Could they have used flash bangs to stun him? Or maybe use a sound weapon to disarm and disorient him.

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    Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    I said irrational emotion or did you miss that part on purpose? This far exceeds the more normal, 'excess force' of a thump.
    Really any emotional reaction can be seen as irrational if you take it out of context. Heck just the way you word something can make it irrational.

    My point is that irrational emotion will guide decision making of all levels of government and more specifically during a time of crisis/panic/intense decision making period. It is the nature of the beast. Knowing that this guy was in the cabin...and knowing tear gas is flammable...why would you lob in tear gas? I can chalk it up to an idiotic decision...rather than surrounding it and waiting him out.

    Basically. I am waiting for the facts to make a call on this. Not gonna cry excessive force because cops are known to be panicky or trigger happy. They could also be malicious and scumbags, or just want revenge. But I can honestly see them being negligent idiots. You think that isn't possible? I say it is a coin flip.
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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Inevitable? Death is inevitable for all of us and though his was probably going to happen there's always the chance he could've been saved. Once we remove the sane and sacred worth we place on any life, then you will see something you might not want.
    What about the value of the individuals that are doing their job and protecting the public? They put their lives on the line to do their job but throwing them in a situation in order to protect the life of an individual that has made clear his intent to do them harm just makes no sense. At some point it was up to Dorner to display that he was willing to give himself up. How far should the state go in order to protect the life of someone in that situation? How many officers lives should be traded in order to protect Dorner from himself?

    In a broad sense I agree with your sentiment but I also don't believe in absolutes. The idea of every life is sacred shouldn't mean we toss aside the lives of police in order to save one single individual whose actions have already cost others their sacred lives and had the potential to take more lives. There's a certain point were lives are weighed.
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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    LOL - how does this figure? In a standoff with police they accidentally shot it? He accidentally shot himself? He accidentally set the log cabin on fire? When - when he turned on the gas stove to cook up some jiffy pop?

    Suicide by cop, either way - really . . . I mean seriously. An accident would have been if he fell from the rooftop while aiming at a cruiser in the treeline.
    Ok, let the police summarily execute anyone they deem worthy. You can eliminate the judicial system and save the taxpayers some money.

    Police kill people all the time in shootouts, which is necessary but knowingly setting a building on fire to kill a suspect?
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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    No one killed him, he could have surrendered at any point. The means taken to that end (his surrender) were reasonable.

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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Ok, let the police summarily execute anyone they deem worthy. You can eliminate the judicial system and save the taxpayers some money.

    Police kill people all the time in shootouts, which is necessary but knowingly setting a building on fire to kill a suspect?
    Grip- this guy had already killed, and was threatening to kill more. He had gone off the edge of humanity, and was resisting all attempts to bring this matter to a sane ending. If they set the house on fire, I feel pretty confident in saying that it was to flush him out, so that he could be apprehended, and not for the purpose of killing him.
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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    I think it was an accident, but deep inside I hope it was an execution. Frankly I think they did the taxpayers a favor by sparing them the cost of a trial by jury.

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