"Read some articles on the internet"
Yeah, 'cause if it's in the internet, it's true. I heard that on the internet.
FACT: The police used the non-incendiary tear gas delivery cannister FIRST, it did not drive him out. The next step was the stronger delivery system.
That the suspect CHOSE to try and withstand the gas rather than leave the building is who's fault?
This guy knew the law, and he knew that he would been treated fairly if he surrendered. He chose not to.
This is suicide by cop or he shot himself.
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Here we are, Sam, Day 196 of the stand off between the ex-cop and, well, everyone. CNN has been covering live 24/7 since the start.
Damnit, Sam, we lost another camera man. Anyway, we can see through the window that he's riding... is he? Yes, he is... riding the new stationary bike provided by Nike who, ironically enough, reminds us to 'just do it'.
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It was a poll that did not ask accurate opposing questions because of your "burm him alive" absurd juxtiposition. It only would have been burning him alive if they had locked him in the cabin refusing to allow him to surrender as they burned the cabin.
By what the maids said it all but certain there was no hostage, combined with him not declaring he had one. He COULD have had a remote cell phone activated 1000 bomb in a hospital. In theory he COULD have had ... but all reasonable known facts including 2 eye witnesses made it a reasonable conclusion he had no witnesses.
Why don't you limit it to what appears to be the truly WRONG actions of the police of shooting up a couple of wrong vehicles before this happened at the cabin?
It need be remembered that he had VERY long range weapons, that it KNOWN he was a good enough shot to kill people, and it known police body armor will not stop those bullets from his rifle(s). In addition, with it KNOWN he had a "silencer," containing him overall was impossible without endangering more police lives lost. And that does not consider it very possible he had more deadly ammo or weapons still. I have some NATO .308 ammo (a common civilian caliber too including in bolt action) that will cut thru 1 inch hardened steel armor - or 2 inches+ regular steel and slice nearly any tree. Being 30 caliber bullets, they could be switched to even longer range cartridges. There is no way to SAFELY contain someone with such ammo because you can't even safely watch without exposing yourself.
There are rifles that in calm air can put a bullet within 2 or 3 inches at many hundreds of yards, with range finders, scopes and drop-charts per grams of the bullet allow anyone with a steady hand to make such a shot with a good chance of being within inches. How do you watch and contain someone like that with such firepower? Its NOT that he maybe had a 30 round high capacity AR15. It's it was known he was into and very capable of having very deadly weaponry pre-planned - known by his having a silencer (not easy to get and generally homemade) - and thus may have had such as a BOLT ACTION high quality 30-378 with a SERIOUS SCOPE firing MAJOR military grade ammo. You can not "contain" such a person. You can not even watch such a person. If you can see him, his rifle scope can see you.
AND did those officers have night scopes and night vision? A good chance he did. Then what? Not only no way to contain him, but the police would have to evacuate the area - FAST - as the sun set. Then anyone, everyone, would be at risk and he with a good chance of escape, more killings along the way. They HAD to force him to 1.) surrender, 2.) shoot him or 3.) give him the choice of either surrender or suicide. The clock was ticking as it was already in the afternoon - and every minute that passed another officer could have been murdered by him.
Definitely not executed.
Autopsy: Renegade ex-cop Dorner died from single gunshot to head - CNN.com
10 silencers?They also found... and 10 silencers, Newport said.
You forgot the third option.