View Poll Results: Was Dorner executed or was it an unfortunate consequence?

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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Either way it's pretty easy to defend the action. If it was a mistake then they were going above and beyond to subdue him without killing him. If they knew it would cause a fire then it's no different than a sniper taking him out which would of been pretty legitimate as well based on his pattern of behavior.
    If someone is shooting at you or putting you an immediate danger, then you have the right to use deadly force in self defense. Or if the perp is threatening other lives and putting them in imminent danger, then a sniper can take them out. But to burn someone alive because they've killed others? Ok.
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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Yes, I think it matters how the police handle themselves in any situation, regardless of how sociopath the perp appears. Once we allow our officials to make decisions based on irrational emotion we're going down a dark path.
    I think its a bit late for the LAPD.
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    Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Yes, I think it matters how the police handle themselves in any situation, regardless of how sociopath the perp appears. Once we allow our officials to make decisions based on irrational emotion we're going down a dark path.
    Interesting thought. Fear and emotion shouldn't motivate, and yet it is used by all our politicians and government officials. Police have a particularly tough job with this. It is hard to not want to lay an extra hard thump on a drugged up junkie that tries to bite you or something else worse than that.
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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    At what point does a desire for justice become a desire for vengeance?

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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    They heard a shot and THEN the building erupted in fire...but no report of shots after the explosion.

    So either he shot at a gas-fueled appliances and was killed immediately in the explosion, or the fire erupted spontaneously because of the tear gas being ignited by the gun shot which he aimed at himself....

    But then I find this:
    Fire Hazard
    Excerpt from GUIDE 159 [Substances (Irritating)]:

    Some of these materials may burn, but none ignite readily. Containers may explode when heated. (ERG, 2012)
    TEAR GAS GRENADES | CAMEO Chemicals | NOAA

    ...so it doesn't make a lot of sense, really. Either he blew himself up (painful way to go) intentionally, he shot himself and a random explosion of fire somehow occurred, or he shot a canister not knowing it would (maybe) erupt (but then where'd the flames come from, unless the canister was near a gas appliance), or there wasn't a canister at all and there's no easy explanation for how a shot preceded a mystery fire, 'cause the police said they "pumped in" tear gas.

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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    It appears from this article Dorner manhunt: Charred human remains found in burned cabin - latimes.com that Dorner was killed by LA Police. Whether it was done intentionally or not is the question?
    According to what I read, they heard one shot (from inside the cabin) after they'd lobbed in teargas and were starting to tear down the walls. This was a bad guy. I'm not going to second-guess this situation.
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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    If someone is shooting at you or putting you an immediate danger, then you have the right to use deadly force in self defense. Or if the perp is threatening other lives and putting them in imminent danger, then a sniper can take them out. But to burn someone alive because they've killed others? Ok.
    Seems like his death was pretty much inevitable. He wasn't concerned with turning himself in. Why put others in harm way to detain him against his will or kill him? Dead is dead.

    Burning him alive is bad if it's used in retribution. That's not the job of police. It is thier job to take out threats and IF! the fire was at least semi-intentional because they didn't want to send in police officers after a guy that stated he wanted to kill police officers I don't see the problem.

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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    We have no proof to confirm he is dead (I.e a body). He could have escaped through a back door, which given the level od incompetence that the lapd has shown in trying to subdue dorner, it is possible he escaped.
    It was announced on the news, a couple of hours ago, that a body had been found and removed from the scene for ID.
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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    Interesting thought. Fear and emotion shouldn't motivate, and yet it is used by all our politicians and government officials. Police have a particularly tough job with this. It is hard to not want to lay an extra hard thump on a drugged up junkie that tries to bite you or something else worse than that.
    I said irrational emotion or did you miss that part on purpose? This far exceeds the more normal, 'excess force' of a thump.
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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    If they were "tearing through walls" as the article in the OP indicates, who knows what really started the fire at this point. I cannot imagine that anyone would have reasonably believed that this would not have ended this way.

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