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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i have a sense of compassion for Dorner. i think he got screwed by the LAPD. but you can see by reading his missive that he was prone to making terrible decisions. he was a very ethical person who could not assimilate with people who were less ethical and did not have his personal sense of fair play.
    I have no idea if he got screwed by the LAPD. If he did, it still doesn't justify what he did. A reasonable person would pursue a matter like this in the legal system, and not with a gun. It's really a pretty sad case all around, but I cannot bring myself to support his actions, especially his taking out the daughter of one of his perceived enemies. If you have a beef to settle with an individual, and you're going to kill someone, then kill the one who has caused what you perceive as your harm. To take out his daughter is such a disgusting move, that I can't fathom that he had any sense of principle or ethics left whatsoever.
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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by Utility Man View Post
    "burners deployed and we have a fire"
    "Maintain discipline", likely a reference to not fire if he surrenders.

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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Everyone keeps bringing up the sniper and that usually only happens when there's immediate danger to a hostage. Dorner had nobody else in the cabin with him even though he was armed and dangerous. That situation calls for a standoff or a confrontation with forced entry in which case he could be shot/killed for resistance. The reason we don't allow summary execution by law enforcement is to allow the justice system to have ultimate control over our fate when dealing with law breaking.

    I think police are way under paid for what they do risking their lives. But they are held to a high standard of conduct because of the power entrusted to them over our lives.
    Sorry, but that's simply not true.

    We now ALLOW summary execution, and imprisonment indefinitely without charges even being brought, based on absolutely NO judicial review.

    All it takes is the President saying it needs to be done...

    Of course, those who support that fascist policy, and then go on to espouse how they're "liberals" arew revealing themselves as nothing but a sick joke.

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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    he refused to give himself up; it was his option
    no doubt the LAPD did not want him taken alive so that he would be able to speak in a trial
    but this fellow's personal fatwa recognized that he was not going to survive his planned vengeance
    Says who?

    LAPD to the MSM.

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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i have a sense of compassion for Dorner. i think he got screwed by the LAPD. but you can see by reading his missive that he was prone to making terrible decisions. he was a very ethical person who could not assimilate with people who were less ethical and did not have his personal sense of fair play. had he applied to be a cop in salt lake city, he may have enjoyed a great career. but he ratted out his fellow LAPD cops and how could he not expect reprisal for that. he fought physically rather than verbally when he was verbally assaulted by bigots. he was extremely judgmental and uncompromising. he reminds me of one person - who will go unnamed - on this forum; a likable individual who has his personal opinion of right and wrong and will accommodate no other view. a person who, from time to time, will make oblique threats not dissimilar to those disseminated by Dorner. and Dorner burned his truck for heaven's sake; how dumb was that? had he left it hiding out in the open where no one would find reason to notice it, he would have been better off. so, he was basically a good guy who did bad things because he was unable to cope. he was put down because that was the appropriate thing to do. that said, the DoJ needs to investigate the LAPD's records of the hearing that caused him to be terminated. that department appears to still be dirty and in need of oversight
    You're assuming the charges he made about the LAPD were true and correct, without any evidence.

    Obviously, a guy who uses weapons to defend a manifesto calling for the abolishment of weapons, and who thinks Chris Mathews is a vision of impartionality, has some SERIOUS issues.

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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    Says who?

    LAPD to the MSM.

    Right.....
    Dorner himself
    read his manifesto
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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    Dorner himself
    read his manifesto
    I did.

    Does not mean anything about what actually happened at the cabin.
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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by SMTA View Post
    I did.

    Does not mean anything about what actually happened at the cabin.
    after reading the manifesto, did you really expect him to surrender?
    after seeing the slaughter that he perpetrated, did you really expect the LEO's to place themselves at risk to bring him in alive?
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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    after reading the manifesto, did you really expect him to surrender?
    after seeing the slaughter that he perpetrated, did you really expect the LEO's to place themselves at risk to bring him in alive?
    I have no idea what his thought process was at the end, as opposed to when he wrote his manifesto.

    I expect LEOs to respect all alleged criminals' rights, and remember that they are innocent until proven guilty.
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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wayno View Post
    Sorry, but that's simply not true.

    We now ALLOW summary execution, and imprisonment indefinitely without charges even being brought, based on absolutely NO judicial review.

    All it takes is the President saying it needs to be done...

    Of course, those who support that fascist policy, and then go on to espouse how they're "liberals" arew revealing themselves as nothing but a sick joke.
    I think you're talking about out of the country treatment of non-citizens? They probably would still permanently intern a citizen but we'll never hear about that one. Threaten the president and some guys in black suits and sunglasses will show up to your door, handcuff you and ship your ass to some island in the Artic to an underground base...lol
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