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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Dorner was executed just like Koresh and the dozens of women and children with him in Waco.

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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    This is conspiracy theory.

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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    does anyone know what became of the media package he left for CNN's anderson cooper
    On Thursday, CNN revealed that Anderson Cooper's office received a package from Dorner on February 1. Cooper and the rest of the network learned about the parcel on Thursday, and have handed it over to the FBI.

    Federal Bureau of Infestation

    Christopher Dorner, Murder Suspect, Addressed Anderson Cooper, Other Media Personalities In Manifesto
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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Yes, I think it matters how the police handle themselves in any situation, regardless of how sociopath the perp appears. Once we allow our officials to make decisions based on irrational emotion we're going down a dark path.
    Clearly, if there is evidence that police started the fire intentionally, there should be consequences. But if police used a more aggressive gas cannister knowing it might start a fire, but would also be more likely to drive the suspect out of the cabin, I say fine.

    The police did not napalm the building, the suspect had an opportunity to come out, he chose not to, fire or not.

    It was a fire fight, if the police stationed a sniper and he had a shot at the suspect and took it, I would not be upset. Each moment this guy was not dead or in custody presented another moment where this guy could murder people.

    I am not a big fan of police, I think they generally overstep their bounds and stomp of the rights of law abiding citizens. But this situation is why we have police. i wish they would spend MORE time dealing with seriously dangerous criminals than most of the nonsense they engage in. But I don't think this is the decision of the officers individually, more a bureacratic decision.

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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?



    "burners deployed and we have a fire"

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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wayno View Post
    Dorner was executed just like Koresh and the dozens of women and children with him in Waco.
    he refused to give himself up; it was his option
    no doubt the LAPD did not want him taken alive so that he would be able to speak in a trial
    but this fellow's personal fatwa recognized that he was not going to survive his planned vengeance
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptinSarcastic View Post
    Clearly, if there is evidence that police started the fire intentionally, there should be consequences. But if police used a more aggressive gas cannister knowing it might start a fire, but would also be more likely to drive the suspect out of the cabin, I say fine.

    The police did not napalm the building, the suspect had an opportunity to come out, he chose not to, fire or not.

    It was a fire fight, if the police stationed a sniper and he had a shot at the suspect and took it, I would not be upset. Each moment this guy was not dead or in custody presented another moment where this guy could murder people.

    I am not a big fan of police, I think they generally overstep their bounds and stomp of the rights of law abiding citizens. But this situation is why we have police. i wish they would spend MORE time dealing with seriously dangerous criminals than most of the nonsense they engage in. But I don't think this is the decision of the officers individually, more a bureacratic decision.
    Everyone keeps bringing up the sniper and that usually only happens when there's immediate danger to a hostage. Dorner had nobody else in the cabin with him even though he was armed and dangerous. That situation calls for a standoff or a confrontation with forced entry in which case he could be shot/killed for resistance. The reason we don't allow summary execution by law enforcement is to allow the justice system to have ultimate control over our fate when dealing with law breaking.

    I think police are way under paid for what they do risking their lives. But they are held to a high standard of conduct because of the power entrusted to them over our lives.
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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    he refused to give himself up; it was his option
    no doubt the LAPD did not want him taken alive so that he would be able to speak in a trial
    but this fellow's personal fatwa recognized that he was not going to survive his planned vengeance
    I remember my brother saying to me, when the media was moved a mile or so from the Branch Davidian compound, "Those people are as good as dead now."

    I remember thinking the same thing about Doner, and the guy who had his wife, child, an dogs killed by our "compassionate" government.

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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Everyone keeps bringing up the sniper and that usually only happens when there's immediate danger to a hostage. Dorner had nobody else in the cabin with him even though he was armed and dangerous. That situation calls for a standoff or a confrontation with forced entry in which case he could be shot/killed for resistance. The reason we don't allow summary execution by law enforcement is to allow the justice system to have ultimate control over our fate when dealing with law breaking.

    I think police are way under paid for what they do risking their lives. But they are held to a high standard of conduct because of the power entrusted to them over our lives.
    I get that, and generally agree, so as I said, I would not be upset if they intentionally killed the guy, but I also recognize that this would not (and should not) be normal police procedure, but I suspect if the police had gone this route, they would be able to justify it.

    For example, the police did not know if the cabin was just a random destination or if the killer had pre-planned to be at this destination and had resources in place to incure further harm. If this was even suspected, most people would agree that aggressive action would not have been unwarranted.

    I would rather castigate the police for the very many obvious violation of the rights of innocent people than argue this one.

    I find the process, procedure, and outcome to be acceptable, it is fine if other's don't.

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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by Wayno View Post
    I remember my brother saying to me, when the media was moved a mile or so from the Branch Davidian compound, "Those people are as good as dead now."

    I remember thinking the same thing about Doner, and the guy who had his wife, child, an dogs killed by our "compassionate" government.
    i have a sense of compassion for Dorner. i think he got screwed by the LAPD. but you can see by reading his missive that he was prone to making terrible decisions. he was a very ethical person who could not assimilate with people who were less ethical and did not have his personal sense of fair play. had he applied to be a cop in salt lake city, he may have enjoyed a great career. but he ratted out his fellow LAPD cops and how could he not expect reprisal for that. he fought physically rather than verbally when he was verbally assaulted by bigots. he was extremely judgmental and uncompromising. he reminds me of one person - who will go unnamed - on this forum; a likable individual who has his personal opinion of right and wrong and will accommodate no other view. a person who, from time to time, will make oblique threats not dissimilar to those disseminated by Dorner. and Dorner burned his truck for heaven's sake; how dumb was that? had he left it hiding out in the open where no one would find reason to notice it, he would have been better off. so, he was basically a good guy who did bad things because he was unable to cope. he was put down because that was the appropriate thing to do. that said, the DoJ needs to investigate the LAPD's records of the hearing that caused him to be terminated. that department appears to still be dirty and in need of oversight
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