View Poll Results: Was Dorner executed or was it an unfortunate consequence?

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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Given that Doerner had graphically proven himself to be extremely dangerous, I think the police can be forgiven for not taking undue risks to take him alive.

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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Given that Doerner had graphically proven himself to be extremely dangerous, I think the police can be forgiven for not taking undue risks to take him alive.
    He already killed one earlier that day. Why lose any more lives to this sociopath?

    This is why I liked being in the Marines. Someone kills one of ours and runs into a building, we call in airstrikes, fire tank rounds, hand grenades, whatever we needed to do. I feel sorry that cops are expected to show restraint when they are watching their comrades die around them. It's always the armchair experts that have no idea what it is to be in those situations. And their opinions aren't worth the bytes it takes to post them on a message board IMO.
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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    I see that some believe its alright for law enforcement to also serve as judge, jury...and executioner. I guess that works as long as that type of power doesn't effect them. And of course they don't see that as a possibility in a nation ruled by law.

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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    No. Do you really think that the police shot Dorner, or simply cornered him and then set his cover on fire? It is likely that Dorner shot himself, but I will wait for the "official" version.
    I agree, he likely shot himself. They'd lobbed in tear gas and were tearing down the walls. No.Way.Out. But he knew that when he realized he was across the road from their standpost.
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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    This is why I liked being in the Marines. Someone kills one of ours and runs into a building, we call in airstrikes, fire tank rounds, hand grenades, whatever we needed to do. I feel sorry that cops are expected to show restraint when they are watching their comrades die around them. It's always the armchair experts that have no idea what it is to be in those situations. And their opinions aren't worth the bytes it takes to post them on a message board IMO.
    You seem to think you know more about what happened than the inquiry that hasn't even taken place yet. I feel sorry that the cops get unconditional support from service people who think they are the experts in everything just because they were in the military or law enforcement. You weren't there and neither was I.

    For the record I think this guy was on a suicide path and was willing to take down whoever he could, thus I don't think excessive force was used in his take down. What I take exception to is that you're trying to render a verdict as if you know better when many of the facts have not yet been collected.

    This case is going to be heard even if the perp is in absentia. Until then, every one of us is an "armchair expert".

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    Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    He already killed one earlier that day. Why lose any more lives to this sociopath?

    This is why I liked being in the Marines. Someone kills one of ours and runs into a building, we call in airstrikes, fire tank rounds, hand grenades, whatever we needed to do. I feel sorry that cops are expected to show restraint when they are watching their comrades die around them. It's always the armchair experts that have no idea what it is to be in those situations. And their opinions aren't worth the bytes it takes to post them on a message board IMO.
    Policing is completely different from soldiering. People like Dorner aside, those the police deal with aren't the enemy and Big Bear isn't Fallujah.

    The police absolutely have a right to themselves but their job is to enforce the law not act as the jury.
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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So it's acceptable and justifiable police procedure to set fire to any structure a bad guy is hiding in, eh? Interesting.

    He was not just hiding, he had shot and killed police. It is more acceptable and justified than shooting an armed suspect in the head with a sniper rifle, certainly, particularly with no belief that anyone else was present.

    If your point is WACO, they were killed by cyanide gas, not fire. People can leave a burning building. He could have.

    I gather your point is that the police should have shot and killed him instantly instead rather than try to drive him out for arrest and a trial - in your belief in summary executions. I suppose you are not the only person who just wanted him killed with no chance at a trial if he wished to surrender at all.

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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Policing is completely different from soldiering. People like Dorner aside, those the police deal with aren't the enemy and Big Bear isn't Fallujah.

    The police absolutely have a right to themselves but their job is to enforce the law not act as the jury.

    Such adsurdly stupid argument. He could have surrendered. He could have left the burning building. They police chould have legally just shot him to death inside the building, but they didn't. They tried to drive him out to surrender.

    I think you are outraged that he wasn't just summarily gunned down rather than given chance to surrender. YOUR view is one demanding summary execution. UNLIKE YOU, the police tried to avoid that.

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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    I see that some believe its alright for law enforcement to also serve as judge, jury...and executioner. I guess that works as long as that type of power doesn't effect them. And of course they don't see that as a possibility in a nation ruled by law.

    It appears that YOU belive that law enforcement should be judge, jury and executioner. Setting the cabin on fire to drive him out alive - rather than just peppering with thousands of bullets - apparently annoys you. Why didn't they just kill him outright?! appears your point. Unless you are just a cop hater and wanted him to have an indefinite amount of time to shot at police or anyone else who happened along for however many days he wanted to.

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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    If even one person - the OP or anyone else - has ANYTHING but RABID HATRED OF POLICE - that even hints that he was "burned alive" - post it. Setting a cabin on fire is not "burning someone alive."

    I am stunned at the radical, absurdly radical, hatred of ALL police some on this forum have. It is outrageous.
    Last edited by joko104; 02-13-13 at 09:34 PM.

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