View Poll Results: Was Dorner executed or was it an unfortunate consequence?

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Thread: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Not true. Under the Terry v Ohio decision the Supreme Court gave police authority to take some proactive steps if the police reasonably believe that a crime is about to committed. Under the same doctrine the police may do a pat down of someone they've stopped if they believe that person is armed.

    And of course it's pretty much left to he police to define what is reasonable.

    Additionally courts have held that certain critical pieces of infrastructure, like subways, are attractive terrorist targets and as such some 4th amendment protections don't apply. That what gives he NYPD the power to execute bag searches of people entering the subway.
    And we slowly chip away and degrade our rights as government force and police domination grow.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    And we slowly chip away and degrade our rights as government force and police domination grow.
    Yep. And as a NY resident who works in the city I ride the subway every day. And if seeing cops with AR15s and full riot gear and armed National Guard troops (whatever happened to Posse Comitatus??) in Penn Station isn't bad enough the cops and TSA routinely check your bags. What are we a third world petty dictatorship?

    Not to derail this threat but my guess is that the searches are more about nailing people with drugs. Even an idiotic terrorist would realize that he can just exit the station and go two blocks to another one that doesn't have a bag check.

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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gaius46 View Post
    Yep. And as a NY resident who works in the city I ride the subway every day. And if seeing cops with AR15s and full riot gear and armed National Guard troops (whatever happened to Posse Comitatus??) in Penn Station isn't bad enough the cops and TSA routinely check your bags. What are we a third world petty dictatorship?

    Not to derail this threat but my guess is that the searches are more about nailing people with drugs. Even an idiotic terrorist would realize that he can just exit the station and go two blocks to another one that doesn't have a bag check.
    It's fairly depressing to see how far people will allow the government to strip them of their human decency in order to obtain some imagined amount of "safety".
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    No-one will admit to being "soft on crime".
    You also noticed that. But the political left has been wearing that label for well over forty years now.

    Are you aware of the original term limits that were put on elected politicians was really about ? Liberals who were soft on crime.

    His name was Willie Brown, he's from the fringe of the left. He was the Speaker of the California State Assembly. This leftist fought against every crime bill that was introduced in the State Assembly for thirty years. He eventually became the Speaker of the Assembly in 1980. He was anti police and pro criminal.

    Eventually even the moderate liberals realised that these radical liberals like Willie Brown were tarnishing all liberals as being weak on crime and the guy had to go. The only way of doing this was through term limits.

    Should be noted, under "Common Law" and the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled and up held this law numerous times that any law enforcement officer or law abiding citizen can use lethal force to stop a fleeing suspected felon if he or she believes that the fleeing suspected felon may be a threat to others or commit another felony if he escapes apprehension.

    Now in some states where liberals are soft on crime and ignore "Commoln Law", they have passed legislation saying you can't use lethal force on a fleeing felon, that felons have a right to continue murdering, raping, robbing and burlarizing others untill they are captured.

    Who's soft on crime ?

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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Who's soft on crime ?
    If it ensures and preserves the rights and liberties of the individual, I'll be "soft" on crime.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's fairly depressing to see how far people will allow the government to strip them of their human decency in order to obtain some imagined amount of "safety".
    Damn Ikari- this guy stripped himself of his own human dignity.
    He knew he was wanted for murder, yet he continued to run. I understand where you're coming from, but this guy went ballistic, shot people, planned to shoot many more, and somehow, we're supposed to think that he was stripped of his human dignity? He did it to himself.
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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Damn Ikari- this guy stripped himself of his own human dignity.
    He knew he was wanted for murder, yet he continued to run. I understand where you're coming from, but this guy went ballistic, shot people, planned to shoot many more, and somehow, we're supposed to think that he was stripped of his human dignity? He did it to himself.
    You should read the post I quoted when I made that statement.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    If it ensures and preserves the rights and liberties of the individual, I'll be "soft" on crime.
    I agree.

    But, it was quite clear that this guy was going to go to the very end.

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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by zstep18 View Post
    I agree.

    But, it was quite clear that this guy was going to go to the very end.
    It was. I think that was dictated the moment he turned his gun on the authority.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Do you really think cops need a reason to shoot a cop killer?
    No. Do you really think that the police shot Dorner, or simply cornered him and then set his cover on fire? It is likely that Dorner shot himself, but I will wait for the "official" version.
    “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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