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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Doubt anything other than a brush under the rug will occur.
    And that's pretty much what spurred this entire thing to start with.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    here's his manifesto
    https://sites.google.com/site/christopherjdorner/home
    read it. it's quite compelling
    he had the LAPD scared ****less. named those he was after and the techniques he was using to target them
    Dorner knew he wasn't going to come out alive
    his manifesto contains his goodbyes, to personal and public figures

    i do hope that the DOJ will now conduct its own investigation into his termination
    let's see if Dorner was screwed because he dared be a whistleblower against another officer

    this is the fellow who - a decade ago - returned thousands of found dollars to a korean church - because he knew that was the right thing to do
    seems to have been a person of integrity and principle
    read the manifesto and see for yourselves
    Thanks for that link. If he was a person of integrity and principle, I find it pretty damn sad that he was unable to maintain that enough to keep him from killing people. I realize the entire situation is very sad, but there is a line which no person should cross, and a person of integrity and principle should know that. Whenever you take up killing as a resolution to your problems, that line has been crossed.
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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I realize the entire situation is very sad, but there is a line which no person should cross, and a person of integrity and principle should know that. Whenever you take up killing as a resolution to your problems, that line has been crossed.
    Is this an absolute statement?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Is this an absolute statement?
    There are no absolutes, but it's pretty damn close in my own mind. You start killing other people, not in self-defense, and you have crossed the line into the world of irrational.
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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    I hope it was an execution.
    So follow me into the desert
    As desperate as you are
    Where the moon is glued to a picture of heaven
    And all the little pigs have God

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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    ....the founders made a reactive system for a reason; but I suppose those who fear will always excuse more government force. "Conservative" ha!
    Reactive only under Article Five of the Constitution.

    >"The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate."<

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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    Reactive only under Article Five of the Constitution.
    Reactive in that it cannot exercise its power against the individual without proof of some misdeed having been done FIRST. Proactive policing is what we get at the conventions when police pre-arrest people they think could be trouble makers. Proactive government is a problem, not an asset.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    It appears from this article Dorner manhunt: Charred human remains found in burned cabin - latimes.com that Dorner was killed by LA Police. Whether it was done intentionally or not is the question?
    Either way, I okay with it.
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    Re: Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    There are no absolutes, but it's pretty damn close in my own mind. You start killing other people, not in self-defense, and you have crossed the line into the world of irrational.
    OK. There are certainly times when revolt against government and violence could certainly be warranted, no matter how sad it may be to engage in such. Was it here? I don't think so, but I read the man's manifesto and his complaints, and I don't think it was out of line with that at all. And I doubt anything good will come of this either. He's dead, the police will sweep it under the rug, there will be no repercussions for all the cars and people the cops shot up/at in their zeal to kill this guy.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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    Dorner: Executed or Accident?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Reactive in that it cannot exercise its power against the individual without proof of some misdeed having been done FIRST. Proactive policing is what we get at the conventions when police pre-arrest people they think could be trouble makers. Proactive government is a problem, not an asset.
    Not true. Under the Terry v Ohio decision the Supreme Court gave police authority to take some proactive steps if the police reasonably believe that a crime is about to committed. Under the same doctrine the police may do a pat down of someone they've stopped if they believe that person is armed.

    And of course it's pretty much left to he police to define what is reasonable.

    Additionally courts have held that certain critical pieces of infrastructure, like subways, are attractive terrorist targets and as such some 4th amendment protections don't apply. That what gives he NYPD the power to execute bag searches of people entering the subway.
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