View Poll Results: Has participation on the forum changed your political views?

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  • Yes, significantly

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  • Yes, but to a minor degree

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  • Yes, but only on some issues

    14 29.79%
  • No, my views are exactly the same since I joined

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    Re: Has participation on this forum changed your political views?

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Because a "minimalist" state would people living back in Little Houses on the Prairie. No thanks.
    To me, minimalist means limiting social and corporate welfare as much as possible. I believe our government has a duty to build roads, bridges, schools, airports, all of that stuff.

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    Re: Has participation on this forum changed your political views?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    To me, minimalist means limiting social and corporate welfare as much as possible. I believe our government has a duty to build roads, bridges, schools, airports, all of that stuff.
    Some would not consider you a libertarian if you support any of those.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Has participation on this forum changed your political views?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Some would not consider you a libertarian if you support any of those.
    Whatever is for them. I don't think the government is neccesarily the best at running those instituitions when they are built, but I do think that they do more good then harm for actually building them.

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    Re: Has participation on this forum changed your political views?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Some would not consider you a libertarian if you support any of those.
    Well building roads can be private, but its not high on the list of priorities for libertarians, so its fine being on the list. Really, I'm rather indifferent on it. I would like them to be privately operated, but its really no big thing if they aren't. I can live with it.
    Public schools some libertarians support, some don't. I don't though.
    Airports. Well, yeah, pretty much that is a no no.

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    Re: Has participation on this forum changed your political views?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Whatever is for them. I don't think the government is neccesarily the best at running those instituitions when they are built, but I do think that they do more good then harm for actually building them.
    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Well building roads can be private, but its not high on the list of priorities for libertarians, so its fine being on the list. Really, I'm rather indifferent on it. I would like them to be privately operated, but its really no big thing if they aren't. I can live with it.
    Public schools some libertarians support, some don't. I don't though.
    Airports. Well, yeah, pretty much that is a no no.
    Just for the sake of conversation, my thoughts...

    • Roads/Bridges: Public, 100%, no tolls. Yeah, I know it's not the most efficient, but I'm willing to pay for convenience.
    • Schools: Both. All-public and all-private both serve to widen the gap in results, IMO. People should have the option per their wishes, not the dictates of a school board or government entity. I do think the federal government should get out of education completely, though. State and on down only. Shoot, county level would be fine with me.
    • Airports: 100% private.

      I'll add another...
    • Prisons: 100% public... for ethical reasons. There should be ZERO profit motive in our legal & justice system. Too much abuse when a profit motive is introduced.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Has participation on this forum changed your political views?

    I was politically aware and active long before I came here. I'm already set in my ways.

    All this board has done is sour my opinion who self-identify as "progressive". Starting to think it's Hebrew or Latin for "idiot".

    And that's not just AtlantaAdonis swaying me.

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    Re: Has participation on this forum changed your political views?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I was politically aware and active long before I came here. I'm already set in my ways.

    All this board has done is sour my opinion who self-identify as "progressive". Starting to think it's Hebrew or Latin for "idiot".

    And that's not just AtlantaAdonis swaying me.
    What I dislike about the term "progressive" is that the very term insinuates that anything else is somehow "regressive", and that's simply not true. In fact, it's an outright lie. Why someone would want to identify them self with a lie is beyond me, but to each their own. Anyway, change isn't always good. Sometimes the tried and true is just fine and the better option, sometimes things do need to be changed.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Has participation on this forum changed your political views?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    What I dislike about the term "progressive" is that the very term insinuates that anything else is somehow "regressive", and that's simply not true. In fact, it's an outright lie. Why someone would want to identify them self with a lie is beyond me, but to each their own. Anyway, change isn't always good. Sometimes the tried and true is just fine and the better option, sometimes things do need to be changed.
    I just read "progressive" as "fringe left", personally.

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    Re: Has participation on this forum changed your political views?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Just for the sake of conversation, my thoughts...

    Roads/Bridges: Public, 100%, no tolls. Yeah, I know it's not the most efficient, but I'm willing to pay for convenience.
    When I was younger I used to think that services provided by the state could be a great way to fund it while still offering a voluntary arrangement towards those ends. It would work kind of sales taxes except instead of taxes on things from the market it would tax certain services like roads provided by the government. It rumbled in my brain for a long time, but in the end it seems to me like the entire position was compromise from top to down and furthermore it seemed to be an extremely slippy slope that I wasn't entirely able to agree to accept.

    Schools: Both. All-public and all-private both serve to widen the gap in results, IMO. People should have the option per their wishes, not the dictates of a school board or government entity. I do think the federal government should get out of education completely, though. State and on down only. Shoot, county level would be fine with me.
    I understand this view, its just that I happen to find solving a problem of cost with government is a horrible application of logic. Government doesn't lower cost of services it provides, but instead raises the cost as a whole and causes imbalance in the market. I also happen to find that responsibly to educate your child lies with the parents and by extension the people. I'm not entirely against standards being set by the state though.

    Airports: 100% private.
    I'm not entirely sure we can go back so easily, but I agree with that.

    I'll add another...

    Prisons: 100% public... for ethical reasons. There should be ZERO profit motive in our legal & justice system. Too much abuse when a profit motive is introduced.
    For me it really has nothing to do with profits, but that prisons should be public since they are an arm of justice.
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    Re: Has participation on this forum changed your political views?

    For the most part, the changes in my views came from outside the forum.
    Michael J Petrilli-"Is School Choice Enough?"-A response to the recent timidity of American conservatives toward education reform. https://nationalaffairs.com/publicat...-choice-enough

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