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    Re: Has participation on this forum changed your political views?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Has participation on this forum changed your political views?

    It has mine. When I first was here, I was a stauch Obama supporter, what I would call Independent Democrat and more views leaning left than right. My early messages clearly were "pro-Democrat." "anti-Republican" and "pro-Obama." I had been a Democrat election judge for my precinct.

    However, reading so many messages by members "on the left" and "on the right," OTHER THAN SOCIAL ISSUES - I find my self going further and further "right" and "Republican." However, I disagree with Republicans vehemently on nearly all social issues (gay marriage, abortion).

    I am stunned at the extreme bigotries of many on "the left" - economic, gender, race, by their almost rabid opposition to free speech, the mass number of messages calling for people of different views to be imprisoned in extremely harsh terms - and then causing them to lose nearly all rights including the right to vote, and overally contempt of individuality, private citizenry rights, and demanding goverment control-freakism. I have learned that "liberal" mostly now is the anti-thesis of "personal freedom."

    Has your views changed, hardened, or ? by participation on this forum?
    "The truth shall set you free". I was a lib once too back when I didn't really pay that much attention to politics. I had heard dem's were for the working man and reps were for the rich so I just assumed I was Dem. Once I started getting informed and started paying attention I realized I was not democrat and not a lib except on social issues. Most people who call themselves liberals live their lives very conservatively but are too brainwashed by our media to realize it.

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    Re: Has participation on this forum changed your political views?

    I was a Green and am a Green with liberal social views that can simply be stated, "live and let live." I truly believe our economic system is a fraud and could collapse upon us. I think all politicians are genuine weasels and poor examples as patriots. I don't relate "hawk" to patriot, but to warmonger. I have tried to perfect amusingly concise phrases to describe economics and "Corporate Capitalism" and see this same "Capitalist Corporatism" as inherently evil. I know we are all different and try to always keep that in mind and also realize we are the sum of our experiences to explain the differences. I love a good insult with clever phrasing even if I'm on the receiving end. I do analyze other's posts carefully and try to work in areas that I share some common ground even if an opposing ground. In the end, it's all about Anthropogenic Global Warming and the lack of interest and response and the fact that "business" fights mitigation towards AGW. In short "I see the train a comin', does the train see the wall.? I've mellowed.

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    Re: Has participation on this forum changed your political views?

    It has made me more inclined toward libertarianism, because of the amount of authoritarian-minded individuals, on both the left and right, not only here, but on political forums in general.
    Last edited by lizzie; 02-13-13 at 10:49 AM.
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    Re: Has participation on this forum changed your political views?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    It has made me more inclined toward libertarianism, because of the amount of authoritarian-minded individuals, on both the left and right, not only here, but on political forums in general.
    This is part of why I have been heading away from libertarianism (in some aspects, not all). I believe libertarianism actually encourages and fosters authoritarian-minded people do be authoritarian. Kind of a "as long as they don't usurp my rights, then all is ok" mindset. But, if the authoritarian person is allowed to do their thing, do we really expect them to restrain themselves and leave others alone? Of course not, they're authoritarian, that's who they are and what they do. Too many of the most ardent and extreme libertarians, in my view, are either unable or unwilling to make the connection between their desired philosophy, and believing that everybody else will be just like them and respect other's wishes, and the realities of human nature. IOW: Be careful what you wish for...
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Has participation on this forum changed your political views?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    But, if the authoritarian person is allowed to do their thing, do we really expect them to restrain themselves and leave others alone? Of course not, they're authoritarian, that's who they are and what they do. Too many of the most ardent and extreme libertarians, in my view, are either unable or unwilling to make the connection between their desired philosophy, and believing that everybody else will be just like them and respect other's wishes, and the realities of human nature. IOW: Be careful what you wish for...
    To the bolded: thus the reason for having a strong system of laws in place to protect the rights of the individual.
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    Re: Has participation on this forum changed your political views?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    When I 'nah', and mutter 'money doesn't solve problems', they get all self-righteous like that. I tell them that we need to own poverty to solve poverty, and it's not something one can buy. Oh course, they get all "what have you done" and then it's talk about me time (end game, win).

    Some monetary aid does help. I don't mean to end our involvement in projects abroad entirely. I think it's best one finds an organization they can trust, preferably grass-roots.
    I believe on aid for things they have no way of doing for themselves. Like aids education, contraceptives, building schools, wiping out child slavery, training doctors etc
    But some of it is also providing employment with "sweatshops" and easing the dependence on substance farming and injecting self sustaining buying power

    I firmly believe in "teach a man to fish." I ask myself this question on aid, "is this money today making them need it any less tomorrow?" if it's not moving them towards sustainability then I see it as something mutually harmful.

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    Re: Has participation on this forum changed your political views?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    I believe on aid for things they have no way of doing for themselves. Like aids education, contraceptives, building schools, wiping out child slavery, training doctors etc
    But some of it is also providing employment with "sweatshops" and easing the dependence on substance farming and injecting self sustaining buying power

    I firmly believe in "teach a man to fish." I ask myself this question on aid, "is this money today making them need it any less tomorrow?" if it's not moving them towards sustainability then I see it as something mutually harmful.
    I believe in a neo-exodus of developed world educated to the developing world, to reverse the brain drain and finally own and solve poverty. I live it, and I hope there are others behind me.

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    Re: Has participation on this forum changed your political views?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    To the bolded: thus the reason for having a strong system of laws in place to protect the rights of the individual.
    But that's not libertarianism, in its purest form. Laws to protect individuals invariably overstep their legitimate bounds and begin to thwart one's own ability to do what they want.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Has participation on this forum changed your political views?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    But that's not libertarianism, in its purest form. Laws to protect individuals invariably overstep their legitimate bounds and begin to thwart one's own ability to do what they want.
    This logic is why Libertarianism will never be anything other than the playground of rednecks, history majors, and disgruntled constipated republicans. It is essentially a better dressed movement toward anarchy.

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    Re: Has participation on this forum changed your political views?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    But that's not libertarianism, in its purest form. Laws to protect individuals invariably overstep their legitimate bounds and begin to thwart one's own ability to do what they want.
    Pure libertarianism isn't anarcho-capitialism. We believe in law enforcement, what we don't believe in is the politicization of it.

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