View Poll Results: Has participation on the forum changed your political views?

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  • Yes, significantly

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  • Yes, but to a minor degree

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  • Yes, but only on some issues

    14 29.79%
  • No, my views are exactly the same since I joined

    14 29.79%
  • No, it has reaffirmed and harden my views

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  • I'm still open for persuasion

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    Re: Has participation on this forum changed your political views?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    The one issue where I'd say I've possibly flipped sides -- and this is due to a combination of things, including education, DP, and work experience -- is foreign aid. I am much more suspicious of it because of the damage the aid agencies tend to do, and the international contractss that prevent any real progress from being made. It seems more and more like resources down the drain; or even less helpful, resources that are actually making things worse.
    A renown, and controversial, article from years ago:

    SPIEGEL Interview with African Economics Expert: "For God's Sake, Please Stop the Aid!" - SPIEGEL ONLINE

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    Re: Has participation on this forum changed your political views?

    Kushinator/Cardinal/Jeezy/JP have all moved me leftward on economic matters. I'm still not changing my lean though
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    Re: Has participation on this forum changed your political views?

    My views on certain matters remain unchanged. They are core beliefs. So, it is very hard to change them. On other issues I'm always up for hearing a different perspective. As a contrarian I ofter offer up one or two myself. Always keep an open mind but not so open that you lose your conviction.

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    Re: Has participation on this forum changed your political views?

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Has participation on this forum changed your political views?

    It has mine. When I first was here, I was a stauch Obama supporter, what I would call Independent Democrat and more views leaning left than right. My early messages clearly were "pro-Democrat." "anti-Republican" and "pro-Obama." I had been a Democrat election judge for my precinct.

    However, reading so many messages by members "on the left" and "on the right," OTHER THAN SOCIAL ISSUES - I find my self going further and further "right" and "Republican." However, I disagree with Republicans vehemently on nearly all social issues (gay marriage, abortion).

    I am stunned at the extreme bigotries of many on "the left" - economic, gender, race, by their almost rabid opposition to free speech, the mass number of messages calling for people of different views to be imprisoned in extremely harsh terms - and then causing them to lose nearly all rights including the right to vote, and overally contempt of individuality, private citizenry rights, and demanding goverment control-freakism. I have learned that "liberal" mostly now is the anti-thesis of "personal freedom."

    Has your views changed, hardened, or ? by participation on this forum?
    I'd say I've moved more libertarian, and more to the right on economic issues. My fellow posters of both sides have simply convinced me that the government simply screws things up, and makes policy decisions they have no business making.


    I think less of it has to do where people have moved me in terms of lean, and more of how they have forced me to constantly revise and restrengthen my arguments. I've learned more so to stop arguing what I stand for on such a superficial level.

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    Re: Has participation on this forum changed your political views?

    Listening to Kushinator, and JP warmed me up to Keynes. I guess I always preferred him to Hayek, but reading theirs posts really got me on his side.

    I'm still pretty ignorant to a lot of economics, but hey, I'm trying.
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    Re: Has participation on this forum changed your political views?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I wish I could like this twice. And thrice burn it into my brain. Nothing makes me more mad then to see a fellow college student patronize me if I refuse to donate to a "save Africa" type of campagin for being "heartless" or "ignorant" when they are the ones not doing any good. One thing I absolutely loathe is a self-righteous fool.

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    Re: Has participation on this forum changed your political views?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Nothing makes me more mad then to see a fellow college student patronize me if I refuse to donate to a "save Africa" type of campagin for being "heartless" or "ignorant" when they are the ones not doing any good. One thing I absolutely loathe is a self-righteous fool.
    When I 'nah', and mutter 'money doesn't solve problems', they get all self-righteous like that. I tell them that we need to own poverty to solve poverty, and it's not something one can buy. Oh course, they get all "what have you done" and then it's talk about me time (end game, win).

    Some monetary aid does help. I don't mean to end our involvement in projects abroad entirely. I think it's best one finds an organization they can trust, preferably grass-roots.

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    Re: Has participation on this forum changed your political views?

    I've discovered that I need new glasses since beginning participation in this forum.

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    Re: Has participation on this forum changed your political views?

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    I started off here as a hard-lining right-libertarian, but after a year here I've been pulled over to the middle in economic matters. I still don't believe that the government should be master market manipulator, but I am in favor of a small social safety net, socialized health care (with an opt-out ability like Germany), and free education. I still however believe that people can handle their money and their lives far better than a bureacrat.

    As far as social issues go, I haven't really changed at all. I believe everybody should be able to live their lives absolutely any way they choose, so long as it does not prohibit someone else from doing the same. It is absolutely none of my business who someone marries, what they smoke, or what they believe.
    I experienced a similar transition from hardcore economic libertarianism, though my transformation happened prior to coming here. I especially identify with the part in red... they shouldn't be master market manipulators, but people have proven they are unable to be left alone completely and still be responsible, so we do need some oversight and regulations. Having said that, right now I think we have too much. We can't seem to find a happy medium and leave it alone.

    As far as the OP's question directly, there are some nuances that have been refined since coming here. I wonder if my age has something to do with this, because I had a couple decades of shaping my conclusions prior to coming here. One thing has happened, though, is that I am more convinced than ever at how utterly naive the most hardcore libertarians are (primarily in economic matters), and hence why I drifted away from that mindset to begin with.
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    Re: Has participation on this forum changed your political views?

    Yea I've moderated some of my positions.
    I agree to things that I don't particularly like, but would be ok with, in certain contexts.
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