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  • The UN is weak and has no real authority

    5 13.89%
  • The UN needs to assert more authority over the world

    4 11.11%
  • The UN needs to be abolished

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Thread: Thoughts on the UN

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    Re: Thoughts on the UN

    Theoretically, including the more radical nations might be a way of tempering their behavior.

    What exactly are "human rights" anyway? Sharia law? American drones?

    I'm not saying you're wrong. But I sure wish you were.

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    An organization that thinks it's rational to appoint Pakistan and the Republic of Korea to it's Human Rights Council, as an example, is an organization that has no credibility and no moral authority or persuasion and is solely a social club for despots and the world's worst actors. I'm sure when a normal person leaves the building, they feel a desparate need for a shower.

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    Re: Thoughts on the UN

    Quote Originally Posted by specklebang View Post
    Theoretically, including the more radical nations might be a way of tempering their behavior.

    What exactly are "human rights" anyway? Sharia law? American drones?

    I'm not saying you're wrong. But I sure wish you were.
    Leadership in countries like Iran, Pakistan, the People's Republic of Korea, etc., laugh at the west and hold up appointment to the UN Human Rights Council, as an example, as proof to their own people that the world thinks they're just in the way they run their countries. I can't believe any self respecting person who believes in human rights and the freedom of people to choose how they live their lives would believe Korea has any advice to offer any country in the world.

    As to your other point, I condemn the President's use of drone technology in countries where you have not declared war and to assassinate American citizens who have not been given due process as well as innocent Americans who happen to be collateral damage. To somehow use that in some equivalency with Sharia law where women can be beheaded for adultery if they are raped is beyond me. But then I don't understand any rational, decent person supporting the UN.

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    Re: Thoughts on the UN

    Quote Originally Posted by iacardsfan View Post
    After the North Korean nuclear test yesterday the UN "strongly condemned" it according to CNN. Personally this irked me because if North Korea was willing to come this far, to simply condemn them is not going to reach the goal that the UN wants. I want to know what you all think about the UN and it's workings. Please explain.
    I think "strongly condemned" is about as far as anyone is likely to go. I don't see South Korea or the US taking any stronger measures. Do you?

    The UN does the best it can given the complexity of the organisation, the incongruity of having to work with such diverse types of régimes and having to do so through consensus, having no executive. I'm always amazed it achieves what it does. It is often deliberately undermined in its work by certain countries who then use the failure, that they contrived, as a stick with which to beat the entire organisation.

    I often hear people complain that the UK should either wholeheartedly participate in the EU or get the hell out. I tend to agree with that viewpoint, and I think it could be applied to those countries who clearly don't want to be a part of the UN, but don't seem to have the 'nads to leave it.
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    Re: Thoughts on the UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    What bliterhing idiot voted "UN is fine and serving its purpose well".

    They should be banned from any politically relevant discussion.

    The UN is crap. It's the equivalent of a kangaroo court. Nobody's afraid of it, nobody respects it.

    Period.
    So you favor a stronger UN with more authority over countries?
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    Re: Thoughts on the UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So you favor a stronger UN with more authority over countries?
    I wouldn't mind if they had anything that vaguely resembles a standing army, or could say something they had a shot in hell of backing up.

    When I think of the UN, I think of a bunch of talking heads who get together every so often and whine about things they can't stop. It's like a Republican convention.

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    Re: Thoughts on the UN

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Nonsense.
    Good afternoon, CJ.

    We also provide most of their funding...does that make it our duty to see that they continue? We only have one vote, the same as any much smaller country, some ruled by dictators or worse, so where is the fairness in that? We are facing a fiscal cliff...let the other countries kick in more in return for the privilege of voting against America's interests in many cases!

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    Re: Thoughts on the UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    I wouldn't mind if they had anything that vaguely resembles a standing army, or could say something they had a shot in hell of backing up.

    When I think of the UN, I think of a bunch of talking heads who get together every so often and whine about things they can't stop. It's like a Republican convention.
    Really? And you would then have no problem if the US had US soldiers under their command?
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    Re: Thoughts on the UN

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Really? And you would then have no problem if the US had US soldiers under their command?
    I assume you meant UN for the first US...if so, I would have no problem whatsoever.

    Hell, I'd encourage it. Maybe other countries could learn by osmosis.

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    Re: Thoughts on the UN

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Good afternoon, CJ.

    We also provide most of their funding...does that make it our duty to see that they continue? We only have one vote, the same as any much smaller country, some ruled by dictators or worse, so where is the fairness in that? We are facing a fiscal cliff...let the other countries kick in more in return for the privilege of voting against America's interests in many cases!
    Hi Lady P - hope all is well today.

    Canada pays the seventh highest amount in annual dues to the UN, and this doesn't count numerous peace keeping missions and other foreign aid we pay out through UN agencies and we constantly get bad mouthed by the worst actors in the world. Many countries continue to vote while not paying their required dues. I'd love to see Canada withdraw - it angers me that our membership validates this disgrace.

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    Re: Thoughts on the UN

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    They have become little more than a mouthpiece for tin horn dictators and terrorists.
    Now, Now, Lizie. Don't you think you are selling them a bit short, here? They are much more than that.


    Their accomplishments in the field of sex trafficking of underage girls sure can't be overlooked, don't you think?.
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