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at what age should teenagers be considered adult ?

the age of consent

  • they are not child if they have physical maturity

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according to your logic

if we have much more capacity to think , we mustnt allow these children to have sex with anybody untill they become adults......

because you see ,teenagers may have to abort their babies.

do you agree ?

we are not animals....

I don't understand the connection with abortion, but yes, of course, we must not allow children to have sex with anybody until they become adults. That's what the age of consent is all about.
 
I've met 45 year olds that aren't mature enough to raise chlldren, but many of them have been breeding like flies since their teens and getting paid for all the babies. Disgusting but reality!

Lol! That's true for sure, but generally speaking they are SUPPOSED to know better by that age. We can't help ALL of the mentally deficient though.
 
I didn't consider myself an adult until... age 26.

Didn't feel like a man until I was out of school and paying for my own place.
 
I don't understand the connection with abortion, but yes, of course, we must not allow children to have sex with anybody until they become adults. That's what the age of consent is all about.

what is its limit ?

what is teh difference between 19 and 17 ?

they seem consent to have sex

what does consent mean ?
 
l was not a moron when l was 16 or 18

and my political ideas never changed since l was 18

Nobody said you were.........

But enough of a high percentage of 18 year olds are still gullible to meaningless phrases like "hope and change," and inexperienced enough with reality, that the point remains.
 
Nobody said you were.........

But enough of a high percentage of 18 year olds are still gullible to meaningless phrases like "hope and change," and inexperienced enough with reality, that the point remains.

maybe this millenium age is responsible for all of this
 
what is its limit ?

what is teh difference between 19 and 17 ?

they seem consent to have sex

what does consent mean ?

It's not that there is necessarily a difference. It's about having to draw a line somewhere in order to protect the young and naive and inexperienced. In other words, one 16-year-old might be extremely intelligent and more than capable of making such decisions, but they are the exception. MOST 16-year-olds are NOT. Therefore, the state would come up with an age that they think has given a child time to grow up a bit (hopefully) and at least get some kind of an education before they are allowed to be married off and start their adult lives. Once you start your adult life, there is NO going back. The best thing for society as a whole is to have an age or perhaps even age-gap type of laws to allow children their childhood and at the same time protecting them against predatory adults who may wish to have control over someone and be abusive because the young can be easily manipulated and are more than likely generally more trusting and naive. That doesn't mean that they are stupid; just that they lack real life experience and that they are not completely grown yet.

Now tell me what is wrong with that concept.
 
maybe this millenium age is responsible for all of this

Maybe....

My idiot generation of college kids went and voted for Jimmy Carter, another guy who used meaningless phrases to appeal to our idealism...

Then, he gave us 22% interest rates, and a non-existent economy, to try and use our new degrees in.

We couldn't get to the polls FAST enough to vote for Reagan.

Of course, the media is so invested in this CURRENT turkey that they've failed to inform TODAY'S graduates that he's given them the slowest recovery from a recession in American history, and as a former professor, he's ALL ABOUT them having ENORMOUS student debt, so his professor buds can make 6 figure salaries, funded on the back of student debt, from a "helpful" government.

He's playing them all for suckers, and because of their naivety, they love him for it....
 
It's not that there is necessarily a difference. It's about having to draw a line somewhere in order to protect the young and naive and inexperienced. In other words, one 16-year-old might be extremely intelligent and more than capable of making such decisions, but they are the exception. MOST 16-year-olds are NOT. Therefore, the state would come up with an age that they think has given a child time to grow up a bit (hopefully) and at least get some kind of an education before they are allowed to be married off and start their adult lives. Once you start your adult life, there is NO going back. The best thing for society as a whole is to have an age or perhaps even age-gap type of laws to allow children their childhood and at the same time protecting them against predatory adults who may wish to have control over someone and be abusive because the young can be easily manipulated and are more than likely generally more trusting and naive. That doesn't mean that they are stupid; just that they lack real life experience and that they are not completely grown yet.

Now tell me what is wrong with that concept.

l am not talking about marriage

if they are child ,dont let them have sex with their own peers either

but if they can have sex with their own peers ,you have no right to convict someone of pedohilia just because he is a little older

it is their decision ..
 
Another point I would like to make is that times have changed SO much. Technology has made life easier. Medical advances have made us live longer. We don't HAVE to rush into marriage and childbearing anymore, so the times have changed to REFLECT that reality.
 
what is its limit ?

what is teh difference between 19 and 17 ?

they seem consent to have sex

what does consent mean ?

As I said earlier - the limit is arbitrary, and never entirely satisfactory. Just like we can make perfect logical arguments against banning abortion in the very beginning of pregnancy and against allowing it at the late stages - and there is the disturbing grey area in between.

Consent is agreement to engage in certain activities given after consideration that requires developed reasoning and ability to make informed choices. Obviously, a young child lacks both the ability and the informaton, when it comes to sex, gun ownerhip, driving, military service, voting, etc. An 18 year old is supposed to have them. Of course many still don't. But there needs to be some, however imperfect and artificial, limit. The only alternative would be some system of complicated tests. Just imagine how many people would never get to vote or have sex.
 
should a man age of 21 be charged with pedohilia and convicted of having sex with a child age of 14 15 0r 16 ?

when should a person be considered adult ?

my purpose in starting this thread is not to justify this action

l just wonder why a person has to be accused of being a pedohilie although he is not sexually interested in little children

many of the teenagers have the physical maturity to have sex and give birth although not all of them can be emotionally mature to marry and raise their babies.

if 3 or more adults over 18 can have sex together or marry if polygamy is legalized , why is a person considered pervert pedohilie only because he had sex with a girl who is mature enough to menstruate ?

if both of them are consent to have sex ,what is teh problem ?

they dont seem more disturbing than polygamic lovers

Specifically to the highlighted - girls can menstruate as early as the age of 8 or so . . . so that doesn't work as a measure of anything. It's a natural body process. Boys can ejaculate early on, too. So your body's functions don't dictate psychological maturity. it just means you're growing up and things are working properly.

The concern about consent is whether or not they are able to ASSES the situation and determine the risks they are taking: sex come with the risk of disease and pregnancy.

Many adults can't even understand these risks - I don't believe very many teenagers can.

And age-of consent goes both ways: the males aren't the only ones ever considered to have done wrong by having sex with an underaged female. . .older females have sex with underaged males and is considered the same thing.

Age of adulthood in the US is based on social expectations and requirements - in other countries it's different and I think tha'ts fine. Society dictates how children are raised and the milestones they're expected to reach . . . and so on.
 
l am not talking about marriage

if they are child ,dont let them have sex with their own peers either

but if they can have sex with their own peers ,you have no right to convict someone of pedohilia just because he is a little older

Do you not understand the concept of maturity, education and life experience. IF they are equals and doing a little consensual (the consent would be VALID in this case as both are of equivalent intelligence levels generally) sexual exploration, then one is NOT using their life experience, skills and superior knowledge to take advantage of a child.

So you are okay with doing away with age of consent laws? Is that what you are saying? That it's okay with you if a 10-year-old child has sex with and marries a 30-year-old person?
 
l am not talking about marriage

if they are child ,dont let them have sex with their own peers either

but if they can have sex with their own peers ,you have no right to convict someone of pedohilia just because he is a little older

it is their decision ..

Well, 1, yes society does have the right to draw the line wherever society wants to draw the legal line; and
2--this is where your logic fall apart. If someone is able to consent they are able to consent whether the other party is "just a little older" or "a creepy amount older".
 
Specifically to the highlighted - girls can menstruate as early as the age of 8 or so . . . so that doesn't work as a measure of anything. It's a natural body process. Boys can ejaculate early on, too. So your body's functions don't dictate psychological maturity. it just means you're growing up and things are working properly.

The concern about consent is whether or not they are able to ASSES the situation and determine the risks they are taking: sex come with the risk of disease and pregnancy.

Many adults can't even understand these risks - I don't believe very many teenagers can.

And age-of consent goes both ways: the males aren't the only ones ever considered to have done wrong by having sex with an underaged female. . .older females have sex with underaged males and is considered the same thing.

Age of adulthood in the US is based on social expectations and requirements - in other countries it's different and I think tha'ts fine. Society dictates how children are raised and the milestones they're expected to reach . . . and so on.

in my opinion ,menstruation isnt only one criterion for deciding if a child is adult.

l a m not trying to say teenagers can or should have sex.

one needs both emotional and physical maturity to do it.............
 
Well, 1, yes society does have the right to draw the line wherever society wants to draw the legal line; and
2--this is where your logic fall apart. If someone is able to consent they are able to consent whether the other party is "just a little older" or "a creepy amount older".

Right, there is a difference between consent and "informed" consent.
 
Well, 1, yes society does have the right to draw the line wherever society wants to draw the legal line; and
2--this is where your logic fall apart. If someone is able to consent they are able to consent whether the other party is "just a little older" or "a creepy amount older".

as in polygamy ?
 
Do you not understand the concept of maturity, education and life experience. IF they are equals and doing a little consensual (the consent would be VALID in this case as both are of equivalent intelligence levels generally) sexual exploration, then one is NOT using their life experience, skills and superior knowledge to take advantage of a child.

So you are okay with doing away with age of consent laws? Is that what you are saying? That it's okay with you if a 10-year-old child has sex with and marries a 30-year-old person?

lets be honest
where did l say such a disgusting thing ???????

l have been repeating many times l am already against that kind of marriages.........

but it was your own decision to have sex when you were 16

thats what l mean



in my opinion ,menstruation isnt only one criterion for deciding if a child is adult.

l a m not trying to say teenagers can or should have sex.

one needs both emotional and physical maturity to do it.............
 
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It depends on the individual. 18 is arbitrary. I see no problem with a 23 year old having sex with a 17 year old, other than having sex outside of marriage. It's not pedophilia, it's a normal attraction. I can't specify an age because there is no specific age. People mature differently. There are 16 year olds that are mature enough and 25 year olds that are nowhere near mature enough.
 
Maybe....

My idiot generation of college kids went and voted for Jimmy Carter, another guy who used meaningless phrases to appeal to our idealism...

Then, he gave us 22% interest rates, and a non-existent economy, to try and use our new degrees in.

We couldn't get to the polls FAST enough to vote for Reagan.

Of course, the media is so invested in this CURRENT turkey that they've failed to inform TODAY'S graduates that he's given them the slowest recovery from a recession in American history, and as a former professor, he's ALL ABOUT them having ENORMOUS student debt, so his professor buds can make 6 figure salaries, funded on the back of student debt, from a "helpful" government.

He's playing them all for suckers, and because of their naivety, they love him for it....

Hey, I feel weird defending Carter, but most of the major policy changes attributed to Carter this days were actually introduced by Richard Nixon. Hell, he abolished the gold standard and went as far as direct price controls, Soviet-style. Yet he was elected and re-elected by a landslide of epic proportions, on the strength of older voters. Making bad choices is not limited to the young age, especially when options are limited.
 
l support them

they are not as greedy as polygamic lovers

Didn't you yourself say this "I am not God, therefore it is not my place to judge." or something to that effect?
 
should a man age of 21 be charged with pedohilia and convicted of having sex with a child age of 14 15 0r 16 ?

Pedophilia should be considered sex with (or love of) pre-pubescent children. Not that other things shouldn't be crimes, but we shouldn't call it pedophilia unless pre-pubescence is involved.

when should a person be considered adult ?

Personally, I think for some purposes, it should be 18, and for others, 21 or even higher. I think we kind of need an in-between stage where kids become partial guardians of themselves, rather than all at once on the 18th birthday.
 
lets be honest
where did l say such a disgusting thing ???????

l have been repeating many times l am already against that kind of marriages.........

but it was your own decision to have sex when you were 16

thats what l mean

You said what is the difference if it is a person a little bit older. Well, if there are no age of consent laws in place, then a 30-year-old man could most certainly have a sexual relationship and a marriage with a 10-year-old child.
 
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